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Which clip is the best to use over the rough ground ?I'm using a upside down gemini at the moment it works fine just think I'm losin more rigs because of having the clip,thinking of going over to the foam pin method do you guys think this will work a little bit better plus the lead will be more secure during the cast :fishing:
 

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Always found the 'Jim Dobie' rig to be ok....get a hook, old used ones will do, cut off at the bend and bend the shank to make a small V shaped bend. Tie the rig body to the eye of the V hook and also tie your lighter rotten bottom through this eye. Tie the other end of the rotten bottom line either to the eye of the lead, depending on its size or to an 'o' ring attached to the lead. Before casting hang the lead on the 'v' shaped hook and Bobs yer uncle. when it hits the bottom the lead/o ring drops off the vhook and your fishing. Suggested lines are 25lb mainline, 60lb leader and 15-18lb for the rotten bottom.

This rig is explained in jim's video on rock fishing.

ps. to make the rig as expendable as possible jim attaches his hook snoods with a blood loop rather than crimps etc.


Which clip is the best to use over the rough ground ?I'm using a upside down gemini at the moment it works fine just think I'm losin more rigs because of having the clip,thinking of going over to the foam pin method do you guys think this will work a little bit better plus the lead will be more secure during the cast :fishing:
 

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I tend to use gemini breakaway clips for rotten bottoms on my good rigs.
 

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Which clip is the best to use over the rough ground ?I'm using a upside down gemini at the moment it works fine just think I'm losin more rigs because of having the clip,thinking of going over to the foam pin method do you guys think this will work a little bit better plus the lead will be more secure during the cast :fishing:
pin + foam just copy that rig i gave you james """" for the very rough stuff """"

for pendulum or a bigger cast will show you the joker clip

or pm dinoboy he has a good and simple but affective rig the way he does the clip on the lead
 

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Attached a couple of pics....seems to work for me.


i've tippexed the v hook to make it easier to see....


PS. Gemini clips didn't exist when this was first used!
 

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Which clip is the best to use over the rough ground ?I'm using a upside down gemini at the moment it works fine just think I'm losin more rigs because of having the clip,thinking of going over to the foam pin method do you guys think this will work a little bit better plus the lead will be more secure during the cast :fishing:
Foam and pin every time. Much easier and cheaper to make. You can use a double loop for the bait clip. Then you won't have to buy bait clips. Or run out of them. The only bits needed is hooks, crimp and leader line. You can make up 50 rigs really quick. Then you don't worry about loosing them.

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i'd rather stick pins (and foam) in my eyes than use this method......sorry Si couldn't resist that!

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Foam and pin every time. Much easier and cheaper to make. You can use a double loop for the bait clip. Then you won't have to buy bait clips. Or run out of them. The only bits needed is hooks, crimp and leader line. You can make up 50 rigs really quick. Then you don't worry about loosing them.

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Why not use the "rotten bottom" clips that are available rather than modifying clips, hooks and using foam & pins?

Are they inefective or too expensive?
 

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Rotten bottoms are not a regular requirement where I normally fish LR, I probably only use them a couple of times a year when I fish marks where casting into the Thames shipping channel is required. I picked the rig up from a video made by Jim Dobie and I thought if its good enough for him......

There may well be custom made clips available now but this works for me when I need to use it. I may well have a look at these clips....who makes them?
Why not use the "rotten bottom" clips that are available rather than modifying clips, hooks and using foam & pins?

Are they inefective or too expensive?
 

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i'd rather stick pins (and foam) in my eyes than use this method......sorry Si couldn't resist that!

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LOL. I've used all sorts. In the end I always go back to pins. Mainly because it's much quicker to make up 24 rigs for a session. I always use 80lb for rigs and leader. I've lost a few weights with "C" clips normally when you hit it at the end of the pendulum cast.

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Most of our fishing is over mud in the thames, and when you do fish down the channel edge its relatively short range (40-50 yards) . Pendulum casting with a rotten bottom rig is not a combo I need too often, a bomber rig with a lead lift is about as 'snag aware' as it gets.





LOL. I've used all sorts. In the end I always go back to pins. Mainly because it's much quicker to make up 24 rigs for a session. I always use 80lb for rigs and leader. I've lost a few weights with "C" clips normally when you hit it at the end of the pendulum cast.

Si
 

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another little tip tye knot 2 foot from lead put on bead then swivel then another bead then tye knot then make sure you can pull bead over knot tye 8 inch stood and a mustard 79515 3to4 on now if hook gets snagged put line round handle and pull straight at snag the bottom bead goes over knot and the snood runs down to the lead giving you a straight pull on the hook the hook nearly always bends out bobs your uncle best barry
 

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Use either a foam cube or a square cut out of a milk carton. The square should be roughly 1cm by 1cm.

Push a panel pin through the centre of the foam or plastic square as in the picture.

As you loose the device every cast you will need to carry a few already made up with you when you go fishing. I usually carry around 100 in a plastic tub.
 

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Most of our fishing is over mud in the thames, and when you do fish down the channel edge its relatively short range (40-50 yards) . Pendulum casting with a rotten bottom rig is not a combo I need too often, a bomber rig with a lead lift is about as 'snag aware' as it gets.
It's quite common to loose a dozen rigs if you fish some of the rock marks down here. You adapt your rigs to maximise the chances of getting it back and if you don't it's no big deal.

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some of my rigs are 3 or 4 years old and in some cases I've just sharpened the hooks!



It's quite common to loose a dozen rigs if you fish some of the rock marks down here. You adapt your rigs to maximise the chances of getting it back and if you don't it's no big deal.

Si
 

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i have tried the breakaway rotten bottom clips, the 'rotters' from veals and the gemini escape links.....and imo the gemini clips are by far the best rotten bottem clips on the market, can power cast with these and got a lot more of my gear back than with the other two
 
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