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Just spent 3 days Bream & Bass fishing at Kimmeridge - and caught 1 Bream. There is one commercial fisherman allowed to fish the area and this year he has started netting the Bream marks and has done for the last 3-4 weeks. The result is that all the Bass have gone and the Bream with them. So much for all the catch and release we've been doing on the Bass and female Bream as he has hoovered up everything. Even the Wrasse have disappeared! The real ****er is that we have been ground baiting an inshore mark for like a year and he has set 2 nets right on it. Looks as if he has been watching us. I should have realised what was in store when he moved a 23ft Poole Canoe onto his mooring!
 

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bad one m8 mono nets are so cheap.Nice to see your online shame about the fishing greedy beggars!!!!that is the problem commercials read the reports and if they here a few fish caught in an area they net and fill up.I never say to much on spots over here now because there is skipper openly laughs about doing it from this forum quote they get a couple tells me were the fish are and then I will get loads in me nets.a very disliked man!!!!!
 

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Of some greedy netsman hitting an area, & wiping out the resident population, after you have practiced catch & release on such as the female bream population, doubtless there will be comments from the "South Coast Fifth Column" about some poor commercial fisherman trying to feed his family & pay his mortgage!:nonono:
Well he will have to look elsewhere next week, because he has **** in his own nest now, & they seem to think that they can carry on doing it year after year, where do they think the breeding stock is going to come from if they keep on wiping them out, E-bay?
Doubtless Ron & Sharpshooter will be on here later on, singing his praises, & slagging you off for being negative, like Mr McCorbar they think "something will turn up", wiping out the local population cant be a bad thing, it makes room for other things to move in, or something to that effect will probably be the response!:giveup:
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Makes you think twice about putting specimen fish back to breed dosnt it?
Greedy **nker*.
Farmers put fertilizer back into the land and manage stocks. These Buggers do nothing but take ,with no thought for the future.



Just spent 3 days Bream & Bass fishing at Kimmeridge - and caught 1 Bream. There is one commercial fisherman allowed to fish the area and this year he has started netting the Bream marks and has done for the last 3-4 weeks. The result is that all the Bass have gone and the Bream with them. So much for all the catch and release we've been doing on the Bass and female Bream as he has hoovered up everything. Even the Wrasse have disappeared! The real ****er is that we have been ground baiting an inshore mark for like a year and he has set 2 nets right on it. Looks as if he has been watching us. I should have realised what was in store when he moved a 23ft Poole Canoe onto his mooring!
 

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reading reports like this makes my blood boil.no wonder the commercials have such a bad reputation with single minded attitudes to fish stocks like this:wallbash: :mad:
 

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you think its bad down there?? Bass are something of a novelty and a rare treat when you catch them up here, but post on any of the local forums about you're catch and lo and behold the whole area is netted off within 24 hours.

Even seen some of the piers netted, 30 yards from the pier, all the way up on side and then down the other

the moral is, tell nobody nowt, if its someone you know and trust, then PM them the details

Several people have even tried hassling DEFRA about it, but thats a bit like pishing into the wind.

and they want to licence US to protect fish stocks!
 

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As far as I understand it, a new Byelaw is due to come into force/has come into force in the SSFD as follows:

Fixed nets, other than fyke (eel) nets may not be placed in the following areas from 1 April - 30 Sept inc.
a. Poole Harbour
b. Keyhaven
c. Lymington
d. Test and Itchen
e. River Meon

Additionally, no fixed net may be set in Lyme Bay from 1st May to 31st July from Long 1 56.70W to a bearing 180deg true from long 2 41.40W (East of Burton Mere) to a point 211deg true UNLESS the head of each net is set at least 3 metres below the surface of the water at any state of the tide.

Unfortunately I am not from Dorset and don't know if Kimmeridge falls within the areas.

Further details of the limits covered and other regulations regarding netting are available via the Southern Sea Fisheries District HQ on 01202 721373.

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Nope Kimmeridge is not in those areas. However, it is the UKs only underwater 'nature reserve' but they license one commercial boat to work the area and every single dive boat takes huge numbers of scallopes from the local banks. I don't get that at all. Its privately run by the Weld estate whom I've written to a few times regarding setting up an angling club - they don't want to know. However, they love taking £8.00 off every boat that launches of their slipway. Hopefully this post will result in diminished takings for a while. Meanwhile, I'm gonna send another letter!
 

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bad one m8 mono nets are so cheap.Nice to see your online shame about the fishing greedy beggars!!!!that is the problem commercials read the reports and if they here a few fish caught in an area they net and fill up.I never say to much on spots over here now because there is skipper openly laughs about doing it from this forum quote they get a couple tells me were the fish are and then I will get loads in me nets.a very disliked man!!!!!
It's the work of one bloke m8. He lives right on the bay so you can't hide anything from him. He's a good bloke really (well. he was when he stuck to lobsters and crabs) and tells us a few good marks, watches our boat and supplies us with nice hermit crabs - but this is war!
 

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Just makes you wonder if it's actually worthwhile posting catch reports on here.
But that just defeats the purpose of forums.
 

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Does anyone know who is charge of licensing fishing in this area?

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Your local Sea Fisheries Committee will be in charge of licencing, & they are set up to promote the commercial industry, most dont even have a RSA representative sitting on them!:rtfm:
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is there a website for say each area in the uk where the industry boats are listed with the information where they are allowed to fish,net, etc and what they are allowed to take?
 

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When are you going to stop & think for a second before you shove your size 10 in? are you suggesting that the boat & shore anglers of this country are responsible for the decline in fish stocks? if so its time to take off your Dame Edna glasses, just once, accept the fact, then argue its merits, dont just make excuses for the commercial sector every single post.:g:
One of the deck hands went into a local tackle shop here & was asked by the owner if it was right that they had just landed 10 tons of bass, he said, "no only 93 boxes", how many boat & shore anglers, how many years, to catch that quantity? & that was a single boat, on a single trip, who's naive?
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PS Ron, lovely boat, shame about the owner:roll1:
 
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Thanks for your kind observations regarding the boat blueskip....93 boxes? Now theres a proper days money,hope they got straight back out there on them before the French Pair teams.

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Thanks for your kind observations regarding the boat blueskip....93 boxes? Now theres a proper days money,hope they got straight back out there on them before the French Pair teams.

Ron
Do I hear the pacing of a MOD Ron?
 

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How big a sea area are we talking about here? I assume it is a small area??

Must be one hell of a fisherman. I just wish i were; or could be half as good as him - if he can single handedly catch every single fish - he must be damn good!! - and also very rich besides.

If he lives right on the bay and has fished there for years; then maybe; just maybe he knew about your "secret spot" before you did?? and the fact that he just happened to shoot some gear there was a coincidence??
Please dont flatter yourself to think that an obviously very experianced commercial fisherman would need to watch you fish to gain pointers on where to fish in his local area!! What a joke PMSL.

What relavence does the guy in question moving a 23ft Poole Canoe onto his mooring have?? Did i miss something?? Please explain.

I bet that the next time you want some lovely fresh hermits for bait; you'll be all smiles and nice as larry. I bet you wont tell him you have been slagging him off to all and sundry the worl over on the internet? eh??

Oh and Blueskip; i'm not saying "poor commercial providing for his family" - (which he is :) ) or defending the guy; I just hate it when people jump to obvious conclusions and start crying wolf when their story and facts seem very much to me to be half cocked.
As you said blueskip - IF the facts are right and he has caught ALL the fish then he will have to move on somewhere else.
Well i'll bet you he is still there next week. Still working away. Still catching fish. Still earning money to put his kids through school and pay his mortgage.

Why?

Because NO fisherman is that good. NO gill net will catch every fish.

Ulike what many of you seem to beleive; a gill net does not catch every fish; they are size selective - fact.
Fish do not swim from miles around and throw themselves at the meshes, wanting to be caught - they have to actually try and swim through it.

They are a very efficient fish capture method, but only when looking at fish captute methods in general.

So pretty please with a cherry on top; please dont be so niave and arrogant :)

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Q. How big a sea area are we talking about here? I assume it is a small area??
A. about 8 square miles- - but with concentrated shoals on specific marks.

Q. Must be one hell of a fisherman. I just wish I were; or could be half as good as him - if he can single handedly catch every single fish - he must be damn good!! - and also very rich besides.
A. Not really, the rough ground he drops pots on is the same ground the Bream and Bass gather on. He has been netting it for a month so if he ain’t caught them all then he’s spooked them of the marks

Q. If he lives right on the bay and has fished there for years; then maybe; just maybe he knew about your "secret spot" before you did?? And the fact that he just happened to shoot some gear there was a coincidence??
A. He has worked pots on the area for 7 years but only started netting seriously this year. He must have seen us ground baiting and fishing a hot Bass spot as he is often out at the same time as us and is often on the slipway when we launch or recover our boat. We are one of three boats that bait the mark so he (being a very experienced commercial fisherman) would have noticed this fact – and he has hit it hard using 2 nets that he re-shoots right on the mark.

Q. Please dont flatter yourself to think that an obviously very experianced commercial fisherman would need to watch you fish to gain pointers on where to fish in his local area!! What a joke PMSL.
A. If anyone is flattering themselves then it’s you. You are not on the ground like I am and you don’t seem to know much about inshore commercial fishing so the joke is that you comment about it. PMSL.Q. What relavence does the guy in question moving a 23ft Poole Canoe onto his mooring have?? Did i miss something?? Please explain.
A. A ‘Poole Canoe’ is a specialist netting boat usually used in Poole Harbour hence the name – but if you knew anything about inshore commercial fishing, then you’d already know that? It an unusual choice of boat to use on the open sea as they are flat bottomed – but you already know that don’t you.

Q. I bet that the next time you want some lovely fresh hermits for bait; you'll be all smiles and nice as larry. I bet you wont tell him you have been slagging him off to all and sundry the worl over on the internet? eh??
A. This commercial guy cultivated the trade in hermit crabs along with the angling banter that went along with it so if anyone was being devious – it was him, not me. I have already said my piece to him face to face and anyone who knows me would tell you that I make my point bluntly.

I don’t actually resent him making a living; he’s a working bloke like I am. It ****es me off that he’s over fished a concentrated shoal of decent Bream, killed all the females that we returned and buggered up some good Bass fishing to. As the season moves on he’ll concentrate on something else but it worries me that he’s found a market for Black Bream and he’ll hit them hard next year to.

As a footnote, I watched him and his Dad shooting nets from his ‘Potter’ last summer and they didn’t have a clue – so he ain’t that good. I know this as I grew up in Hamworthy (the middle of Poole Harbour) and worked an 18ft Poole Canoe, shooting ring nets for Mullet and trammels for Flukes when I was a kid, I also dragged bait and trawled sand eels – I never needed pocket money! I’m related to the Matthews, Moores and Cartridges of Poole who are all old fishing families and I consider I have it in my blood.

Therefore, I don’t consider myself either naive or arrogant – so what’s your excuse?
 

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Just makes you wonder if it's actually worthwhile posting catch reports on here.
But that just defeats the purpose of forums.
A few years back I got up at silly oclock to get to the fishing grounds early. I steamed seven miles to one of my Thornback marks. Aquabell who then had a Tremlett 26 was just leaving the marina and called me up on the VHF, I was honest and said we had been fishing for 20 minutes and had five Thornbacks.
Aquabell said he would be next to me soon.
26 foot Tremlett crusing at 16kts seven mile journey, when he arrived there were three trawlers working around me and we had lost three sets of gear to their trawls.
You live and learn, all our waypoints were syncronised and we talked numbers. With the advent of mobile phones it's a lot easier now.
They have to make a living so I blamed myself(so did Aquabell)
Gary
 
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