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hi all I had a quick look thru the "safe rock hopping" guide and was surprised at one suggestion - for those of you that might not know:

the use of pitons/t bars glued into rocks - dont even think about in any area that is used for rock climbing as you are likely to get a bloody lip / thick ear if you are caught doing this - this is one of the ultimate no no's, rather get yourself a large sling and or a few nuts as this will be a lot better and a lot more secure, u can also remove it at any time. pitons will be removed if found!

get yourself something like this

eg nuts/hex's

these are not expensive and wedge into cracks in the rock

or if you are worried about using them properly get yourself some large 240cm slings u can then loop them over a large rock and these WILL NOT break.
 
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