because they are not the same build as Danny .His cast is used to get the best out of his physique .Casters of "normalish" build (if that's even a word ) have to work the lead more to try to compress the rod to reach distances to get near Danny.

 

see what your saying but, there is plenty other giants among us.

i have tried 3 techniques to date, pendulum, arealised ground cast, and the one mentioned. and had tips from a good few big hitters on certain casts.

so whats the point in swinging lead away and then back? why not just flick to the side then hit with a progressive arc ???????

the rod is not getting compressed at this point?

obviously am missing summit ere

 

Danny is probably ~30kg heavier than his nearest rival in weight terms, his style is very dependant on having a firm footing - it's simple and effective - however that additional mass helps lots.

 

well it suits me, even some of the shortened drop versions.

must have stong arms or summit happy days:thumbs:

 

What works for one doesn't always work for another. If it works for you then use it. When you feel ready, get yourself down to the UKSF. The more competition at the top, the better for everyone :thumbs:

 

see what your saying but, there is plenty other giants among us.

i have tried 3 techniques to date, pendulum, arealised ground cast, and the one mentioned. and had tips from a good few big hitters on certain casts.

so whats the point in swinging lead away and then back? why not just flick to the side then hit with a progressive arc ???????

the rod is not getting compressed at this point?

obviously am missing summit ere

Would Danny cast further if he used a moving lead?


I've heard a lot of people saying that they have copied Dannys style over the years and yet, i am yet to see anyone actually cast like Danny

 

I'm sure the other casters have had a sneeky go at the cast in practice and stuck with their own style in the end .

 

Danny's built like an olympic shot putter ..so it it stands to reason that much of his leg action and to a slightly lesser extent his shoulder and arm action resembles one during his swing. It would be interesting to see him shot putting . His address position with his head lowered and over the right foot and holding the shot close to his chin. His right arm would be bent of course ... instead of straighter as when he's casting.
I would class him as an improviser swinger [ someone who is happy to swing in their own way and not frightened to make changes if it improves their performance and consistency even though it might not look pretty in the eyes of the purist ]. I like his swing because its bare bones functional and has the minimum if any wasted movement. His lower body gets under way first in the forward swing , sprinting to stay in advance of and building up tremendous energy and coil in the mid section and his shoulders and arms come flailing through later rather than earlier . I particularly like the amount of lateral movement he uses towards the target in his forward swing , this is one of the secrets of his power . Turning on its own without any lateral movement just wastes the massive potential energy of the body . Large body muscles only work effectively when they are under a load . Turning without any lateral movement would be just like casting on one leg . The minimum amount of movement should be from right foot to left foot for an easy swing coupled with rotation.

:fish::fish::fishing:

 

i have to disagree to even compare danny moeskops to a true athelete like an olympic shot putter is ridiculous, he is just big guy who is pritty over weight if were going to be onist, if a true athelete ever takes up tournament casting like an olympic javelin thrower for instance i think dannys days would be numberd.

no offence to danny moeskops but he isnt a athelete in any shape or form, and to compare him to a true athelete like an olympian is stupid.

hats of to him though he can thump a lead a long way.

 

i have to disagree to even compare danny moeskops to a true athelete like an olympic shot putter is ridiculous, he is just big guy who is pritty over weight if were going to be onist, if a true athelete ever takes up tournament casting like an olympic javelin thrower for instance i think dannys days would be numberd.

no offence to danny moeskops but he isnt a athelete in any shape or form, and to compare him to a true athelete like an olympian is stupid.

hats of to him though he can thump a lead a long way.

I have heard that Danny can do a sub-12 second 100 metres - thats pretty good - can anyone confirm?

PTR

 

If it is true its a frightening thought. How long to do the steeplechase though?

 

:icecream::icecream::icecream::icecream:

 

I have heard that Danny can do a sub-12 second 100 metres - thats pretty good - can anyone confirm?

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It wouldn't surprise me if that is true, for a big guy he is very light on his feet.


There's a few ex-javelin throwers about, Andy copping is one of them. Alessio Massa is a Discus thrower - I think he will be one to watch at the World champs this year.

I think Wotnobait has hit the nail on the head. Us Brits are in love with the idea of swinging a lead like Paul Kerry and Neil Mackellow - we all look back at the 80's with rose tinted glasses thinking that they are the best casters of all time and their achievements will never be bettered :sad2:

I myself have fallen into the trap of swinging a lead around my head... i tried the 'Danny Style' for a few weeks but i found it to be a difficult cast to get to grips with, especially if you've been pendulum casting for a while :black_eye The arm/body position and swing is very alien. Some of the french guys have done well with this style of cast.

Anyone new to casting should definitely try Danny's style

 

i tried danny's style on an empty beach in the easter holidays and the weight went up and up and up and landed a few feet away from me-can someone explain that please:black_eye ...ill just stick to my style of casting thanks :fishing1:

 

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i have to disagree to even compare danny moeskops to a true athelete like an olympic shot putter is ridiculous, he is just big guy who is pritty over weight if were going to be onist, if a true athelete ever takes up tournament casting like an olympic javelin thrower for instance i think dannys days would be numberd.

no offence to danny moeskops but he isnt a athelete in any shape or form, and to compare him to a true athelete like an olympian is stupid.

hats of to him though he can thump a lead a long way.

Look back 20 yaers (before amateur athletes got paid(never understood that))and Dannys physique is pretty much the exact model of a high level shot putter/ discus thrower. I'm sure he would have been better if he had trained harder, didn't have to earn a living and had access to proffessional coaching like shot putters do though

Worldwide in the sport there are good level athletes that have transfered from discus/javelin to casting (fabrice Roerig/ allesio massa/andy copping) and although all are very good, Danny is better

I once read on here a very true statement - 'have you ever considered that if Danny took up shotput or discus, they might have something to think about?
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oops. double post

 

i have to disagree to even compare danny moeskops to a true athelete like an olympic shot putter is ridiculous, he is just big guy who is pritty over weight if were going to be onist, if a true athelete ever takes up tournament casting like an olympic javelin thrower for instance i think dannys days would be numberd.

no offence to danny moeskops but he isnt a athelete in any shape or form, and to compare him to a true athelete like an olympian is stupid.

hats of to him though he can thump a lead a long way.

You really have no concept of what is involved in throwing a lead a long way do you? The timing, technique, power, and speed, a top caster has to produce to deliver record distances is every bit the equal of any Olympic competitor.

Dismissing Danny because of his body shape is both rude and offensive. Primarily to Danny, who happens to be a very modest and unassuming champion, but also to every other caster. What you're effectively saying is, every caster on the planet would be beaten should a professional throwing athlete ever take up the sport. I think you greatly underestimate the talent and ability of casters. Maybe you should give competitive casting a try before passing judgement.

 

blimey! triple post. bloody phone

 

Very interesting thread this. There is no doubt that Danny is an awesome caster at the very top of his game and a great ambassador for tournament casting. But I can't help feeling that both sides of the argument are valid. His sheer "size" must help enormously when it comes to delivering power. It does make me wonder what his distances would be like if he was built like the majority. As they say, a good big un will always beat a good little un. Makes you wonder what the likes of Andy Green would have been capable of if 12" broader! Fair play to Danny though, he is at the top of the tree.
I can't really agree with the top casters being the equal to olympic competitors though. Their whole life is based on training and diet. Every waking minute to the exclusion of everything else. They have coaching staff and can't take basic medicine for fear of getting banned. Most casters I know have a big fry up or McD's before a comp lol. Casting even at that level is a hobby, not a lifestyle. When they bring drug testing to the UKSF I may change my opinion lol.

 

Very interesting thread this. There is no doubt that Danny is an awesome caster at the very top of his game and a great ambassador for tournament casting. But I can't help feeling that both sides of the argument are valid. His sheer "size" must help enormously when it comes to delivering power. It does make me wonder what his distances would be like if he was built like the majority. As they say, a good big un will always beat a good little un. Makes you wonder what the likes of Andy Green would have been capable of if 12" broader! Fair play to Danny though, he is at the top of the tree.

Size is undoubtedly an advantage if you are using it properly. of course, if you are not using it then you still have to carry it

The majority of throwing sports will be dominated by big men. there will always be exceptions of course (Jan Zelezny)


I wonder if this thread will turn into another rant about how weight categories should be introduced?

 

Lead speed is what will ultimately get you the distance, big powerful men able to bend stiff rods can use more simplified casts to acheive this. others choose to use techniques that allow the lead to accelerate in wider arcs to acheive it. There is no one single way, finding what suits you is surely the key to finding the distance.......

 

Athlete

A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

 

plugcaster get a grip mate im stateing facts he is overweight not been rude or offensive its the truth, not here to get into a slanging match with any one just facts are facts danny moeskops is overweight, and he cannott even be compared to an athelete who spends hrs in the gym and fitness training and eating a healthy diet and will go the the ends of physical excsertion to become the best.

now please dont tell me he has a healthy diet.

 

Jan Zelezney was still 6 1' and 86kg.

 

All that from someone who thinks a Century E1000, Kompressor SS and a WR300 are lifeless rods??????

Was that cause you couldn't bend them?????