Why would you use backing with 15lb mono?got a pair of shimano aerlex 8000 xsa reels the other day and was thinking of spooling them with 15lb diawa sensor line. whats best to use as backing? like to pack the spool out a bit before i load it with the 15lb? thanks
spooling reels?
got a pair of shimano aerlex 8000 xsa reels the other day and was thinking of spooling them with 15lb diawa sensor line. whats best to use as backing? like to pack the spool out a bit before i load it with the 15lb? thanks
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what i'd do is back it first with Daiwa sensor 15lb mono!
I suspect the spool holds about 400 yards of 15lb mono, if it is anything like my Ultegra 1000 spool, so if you are only putting 200 yards of line on you need to back the spool with something or lose yards each cast due to the friction over the spool lip.
You can use anything that is easily and cheaply available though, I have used string and wool in the past, back in the 80's when wool was cheap and plentiful and granny's did knitting rather than advertising themselves on MILF websites.Back then there was a bit of an art to coning the backing so that the line came off easier too but Shimano X ship has put an end to that.
I tend to use old line up to the level you require and then tape over it with insulating tape. I have just filled one of mine with backing waiting for 300m of 50lb braid to arrive from China.
You can use anything that is easily and cheaply available though, I have used string and wool in the past, back in the 80's when wool was cheap and plentiful and granny's did knitting rather than advertising themselves on MILF websites.Back then there was a bit of an art to coning the backing so that the line came off easier too but Shimano X ship has put an end to that.
I tend to use old line up to the level you require and then tape over it with insulating tape. I have just filled one of mine with backing waiting for 300m of 50lb braid to arrive from China.
Why wouldn't you just put 400yd of 15lb on?I suspect the spool holds about 400 yards of 15lb mono, if it is anything like my Ultegra 1000 spool, so if you are only putting 200 yards of line on you need to back the spool with something or lose yards each cast due to the friction over the spool lip.
I guess line is cheap enough these days that you could do exactly that. I got into the habbit of using backing back in the 80's when a spool of Sylcast used to eat up a big chunk of my pocket money.Why wouldn't you just put 400yd of 15lb on?
The practical reason for using backing is that if you put 400 yards of line on the spool then have a few snags and or crackoffs you are now down to about 300 yards and your casting distance is reduced as the line level has dropped on the spool. So now you have to wind 300 yards of line off and either back it or replace it.
If however, you had backed the spool halfway and only put 200 yards of line on you would only have 100 yards to remove (and you would still have half of your 400 yards of new line to replace it with). The question was about backing so I guess the OP is of the same school of thought as me. Not trying to convert anyone though, you do whatever works for you and I will keep doing this
Not sure that decent line is that cheap in the greater scheme of things ... and even if it is why waste it? Line isn't the most environmentally friendly stuff so it also makes sense to lessen our usage if we can surely?
Talking mono there is really no sense whatsoever in putting 400 yards of new line on a spool every time .... how many of you can cast anything like that far? And if you lose a load of line the spoolful is done anyway as the level has dropped down low enough to effect the casting distances on most of the average sized fixed spools. Rather than taping week or old mono I prefer to preload with a decent quality heavy line of about 30lb and join the fresh 15 or 12lb to that. That way you lessen the chance of the fixing slipping or getting degraded by a gunky load of glue off the back of the tape. You also find with a taped job that it has a tendency to trap water in deep which rots your spool.
The added advantage with reducing your line usage is that it makes it easier to afford to change your line more regularly .... most people hang onto it way too long anyway.
Talking mono there is really no sense whatsoever in putting 400 yards of new line on a spool every time .... how many of you can cast anything like that far? And if you lose a load of line the spoolful is done anyway as the level has dropped down low enough to effect the casting distances on most of the average sized fixed spools. Rather than taping week or old mono I prefer to preload with a decent quality heavy line of about 30lb and join the fresh 15 or 12lb to that. That way you lessen the chance of the fixing slipping or getting degraded by a gunky load of glue off the back of the tape. You also find with a taped job that it has a tendency to trap water in deep which rots your spool.
The added advantage with reducing your line usage is that it makes it easier to afford to change your line more regularly .... most people hang onto it way too long anyway.
I know you say that losing a load of line means the spool is too low anyway, but if I lose say 100yd of line from a snag or two, and then i lose say even another 50 if I had backing on I would be on the backing on my next cast. If I had 400yd of mono straight through I would be able to fish on, albeit with casting distances affected. This means I don't have to respool my reels on the beach or rocks..Not sure that decent line is that cheap in the greater scheme of things ... and even if it is why waste it? Line isn't the most environmentally friendly stuff so it also makes sense to lessen our usage if we can surely?
Talking mono there is really no sense whatsoever in putting 400 yards of new line on a spool every time .... how many of you can cast anything like that far? And if you lose a load of line the spoolful is done anyway as the level has dropped down low enough to effect the casting distances on most of the average sized fixed spools. Rather than taping week or old mono I prefer to preload with a decent quality heavy line of about 30lb and join the fresh 15 or 12lb to that. That way you lessen the chance of the fixing slipping or getting degraded by a gunky load of glue off the back of the tape. You also find with a taped job that it has a tendency to trap water in deep which rots your spool.
The added advantage with reducing your line usage is that it makes it easier to afford to change your line more regularly .... most people hang onto it way too long anyway.
I use daiwa sensor, it's cheap as chips, with a 1000m spook for about £6. i can live with £2-3 per load up, and I'll reload every 6-8 or so sessions depending on how rough the ground is..
All that said, for my clean ground gear, I may start using backing with as smaller amount of mono to reduce wastage, but it doesn't make sense to me to do on rough marks as I lose too much line anyway.
If you spool it fully with line then once using after casting out etc walk off a good distance so a lot more than you'd ever cast stick bit of tape across front to back then rewind then when need to renew line take it back to that tie lines together wind new line on enough for your casting but if do end up taking more off your still on line to fish with but not wasting more line than need on spool
I would have thought that 200 yards of line on a reel (with backing) is not enough.
Everyone these days is putting bait 150-200 yards apparently so don't leave a lot left to allow for a bow in the line or for a fish to run.
Everyone these days is putting bait 150-200 yards apparently so don't leave a lot left to allow for a bow in the line or for a fish to run.
Yeah but don't forget for those days when casting good etc? so would say atleast 500 yards is needed just to keep on top of it? lol as don't wanna get spooled by a whiting???I would have thought that 200 yards of line on a reel (with backing) is not enough.
Everyone these days is putting bait 150-200 yards apparently so don't leave a lot left to allow for a bow in the line or for a fish to run.
There is the other mindset that with the money you saved on line you could buy some spare spools .... if you having a crap session with the line you can then put a spare spool in. Maybe a little more complicated with a multi but dead easy with a fixed spool. And that way you would have to "make do" with a half empty spool on those bad days. I'm lucky as mostly I fish very clean ground but I always carry a spare spool with the lure fishing fixed spools.I know you say that losing a load of line means the spool is too low anyway, but if I lose say 100yd of line from a snag or two, and then i lose say even another 50 if I had backing on I would be on the backing on my next cast. If I had 400yd of mono straight through I would be able to fish on, albeit with casting distances affected. This means I don't have to respool my reels on the beach or rocks..
I use daiwa sensor, it's cheap as chips, with a 1000m spook for about £6. i can live with £2-3 per load up, and I'll reload every 6-8 or so sessions depending on how rough the ground is..
All that said, for my clean ground gear, I may start using backing with as smaller amount of mono to reduce wastage, but it doesn't make sense to me to do on rough marks as I lose too much line anyway.
That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.There is the other mindset that with the money you saved on line you could buy some spare spools .... if you having a crap session with the line you can then put a spare spool in. Maybe a little more complicated with a multi but dead easy with a fixed spool. And that way you would have to "make do" with a half empty spool on those bad days. I'm lucky as mostly I fish very clean ground but I always carry a spare spool with the lure fishing fixed spools.
I usually fish with Multis and mono for my rougher ground work and then FS and braid for my clean ground stuff, and lure fishing. I don't have spare spools for my Multis but I do for all my FS reels, I usually carry a spare spool loaded with mono for if the conditions are very weedy. And a spare with braid for my lure reels.
Multis are a bit different I think. You generally use one with a capacity that is ideal for the situation so often don't have so much spare line capacity .... what little you save on say a 6500 with mono by using backing makes it hardly worth the bother. Getting screwdrivers out on the beach with a block braked reel is not fun but with a magged multi and thumbscrews its less of a pain and also allows you to swap spools to a heavier/lighter BS if you change plans during a trip.That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.
I usually fish with Multis and mono for my rougher ground work and then FS and braid for my clean ground stuff, and lure fishing. I don't have spare spools for my Multis but I do for all my FS reels, I usually carry a spare spool loaded with mono for if the conditions are very weedy. And a spare with braid for my lure reels.
All just a suggestion and not by any means mandatory but certainly with my fixed spools having a spare spool has saved many a day when I've stuck a lure just a bit too close to the snags.
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