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Could I get people's thoughts on this rig? It's basically an upside down pulley rig, but would it fish like a running ledger? Obviously the amount of "run" would be down to the length of the pulley but would it work? Anyone use anything like this?
 

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My mate did one and on a powerful cast the bait flew off , not once but twice. I,m not sure why the bait flew off , any way he put a fix pat rig on and all was ok. Best thing to do is to try it you might get along with the rig.
 

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My mate did one and on a powerful cast the bait flew off , not once but twice. I,m not sure why the bait flew off , any way he put a fix pat rig on and all was ok. Best thing to do is to try it you might get along with the rig.
Hi JJ, The bait is going to go up, it must of stretch the snood and tipped the clip?.
 

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Could I get people's thoughts on this rig? It's basically an upside down pulley rig, but would it fish like a running ledger? Obviously the amount of "run" would be down to the length of the pulley but would it work? Anyone use anything like this?
Why not take the snood over the clip and down to a lead clip, would be more aerodynamic , would be longer but only run as far as the swivel clip again.
 

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would this rig be better if you had an impact shield or second baitclip between the pulley bead and the weight and took the snood up and over the top clip putting the bait behind the lead and protecting it from the wind?
 

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! Given it a go myself tbh in various guises .Youll still need a way of stopping the bait from sliding off the hook to the lead during the cast pre release , you will also find any reasonable size bait will come off the clip unless you use a splashdown or the like , also a biggish bait may cause a few overuns if your using a multiplier as it will probably take a time to settle on release , further a bait is from the lead the more probs you will get hence the up and over rig
 

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run line over top clip and bring the bait back behind the lead , levee tag of line on hook that can be put over bait then wrapped with elastic to stop bait blowing back up line
 

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Agree with dodgy, you will only get a reduction in rig tangling and your snood /bait spinning during the cast which is why I tried it in the first place , i cant stand unclipped rigs , no confidence , I tried the up and over and found no benefit over a good ol pulley , it just had more early release issues , if you want a long snood try a 4ft snood off a pulley , if you fish cliffs piers or boats , ledger it is
 

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Agree with dodgy, you will only get a reduction in rig tangling and your snood /bait spinning during the cast which is why I tried it in the first place , i cant stand unclipped rigs , no confidence , I tried the up and over and found no benefit over a good ol pulley , it just had more early release issues , if you want a long snood try a 4ft snood off a pulley , if you fish cliffs piers or boats , ledger it is
I'm glad i'm not the only one that doesn't like up and overs, I don't like them either for the same reason as you. I stick to pulleys for most of my fishing but use pulley droppers for Rays.
 

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I dont like up and overs , or pulleys.

I do like semi pulleys though, they stay clipped up 100 % of the time I have found,no need for springs to tension the snood, as the sinker does all the work, but you have the benefit of an "almost" fixed pat.

So far as the original post is concerned, I used to tie up rigs identical to it, but found that snood twist was bad,and it came unclipped most casts. If only casting short for surf line fish a clip isnt needed anyway.

There must be millionsof different rigs that anglers "invent" only to find they have been done before. One of the best 'scratching " rigs I have found is the most unwieldy numb looking thing I have come across, everything about it says it will tangle, but it doesnt.Its not designed for long casts, but numb looking or not it works,its called the Urfe Rig..or also called the Portuguese rig,it has been around for quite a while, but it looked just so bad I ignored it, then one day I thought,it wont cost anything ,why not give it a go.I was sceptical at first, but for times when the fish seem shy or absent give it a go, I managed to hook five flats on one a couple of weeks ago when all around me were blanking. I dont know why, it just works. I know five flats isnt world beating, in fact in 3 hours it isnt good at all, but five fish are better than no fish.

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...did something similar years ago with redgill eels on a trace for pollack.
a long trace catches way more but was awkward to cast under a lead catch something behind. did work well.
dont like pulleys as with a big bait theyd unclip but i got some red splash downs now tied up cant unclip off that. unless its big bait big fish snaggy ground dont see the point of pulleys at all.
 

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Up and overs running ledgers are great if you have a smooth pendulum, Hatteras and OHT not so much.
My up and over rigs never unclip and never come back tangled.
The trick is to tighten the length of line from the hook to up and over clip and pull down on the lead so it's nice and tight.
Adding 3 silicone beads between the weight and swivel will keep the hook length away from the lead and eliminate any chance of a tangle.

As for you rig, IMPS are arguably the best bait clips out there. I don't know what clip you would use but unlikely to be as good.
 

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Up and overs running ledgers are great if you have a smooth pendulum or OTG cast, Hatteras and OHT not so much.
My up and over rigs never unclip and never come back tangled.
The trick is to tighten the length of line from the hook to up and over clip and pull down on the lead so it's nice and tight.
Adding 3 silicone beads between the weight and swivel will keep the hook length away from the lead and eliminate any chance of a tangle.

As for you rig, IMPS are arguably the best bait clips out there. I don't know what clip you would use but unlikely to be as good.
If you cast OTG, simple up and over rigs (as in the diagram) and imps are not really practical as more often than they will unclip when the rig is laid on the ground.

For off the ground casting I have found the Gemini Solo Splashdown is the way to go, but obviously this does not address the problem with top clip in an up and over....
 
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