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Now I know lots of anglers , and it would seem lots catch 3 to 4 pound bass as a pb ...

I even have mates that have fished ten years for bass , and 3 of them are stuck on 6 pound pb s

Although one reminds me his is 6.5 lol .....Good fish and out the schoolie range ...................

Sorry but im a bit old school , a 5 pound bass and under is a schoolie , why because it stays with its group to hunt ....

There in lies one clue ....

A four to 5 pound bass is still a GREAT fish to catch but there schoolies ...Read any old bass book ..

Just because we have (as man ) slayed to many bigger fish , it does not mean we can lower the size of a schoolie to like 3 pound to make us feel better now a days ...


So first clue was small bass hunt in packs , so chances are when your catching 10 bass a trip from the same mark there from the same

year class , all same ish size and all feeding together ...

HUGE TIP , when the feeding activity stops , do not leave , wait a while and see if BIG BASS come into mop up what there baby friends

have left ...




BIG BASS ARE LAZY ......

Boy is this true , when I started bass angling I was bait boy , loved it and caught 3 doubles in one you and boy did I think I had cracked it ...Got to 14 shore bait doubles (same 3 or 4 marks ) and when I got to lure thought boy this is going to be like shooting fish in a tank .

WRONG ,,,,big bass are LAZY remember , they don't like to chase , I have put in more years now on lure , but have less than half the amount of doubles for more and longer sessions ,,,,WHY ......

Big bass don't like to chase imho , I have found they will for a short distance .

So softs are a great way to catch these lazy low lying big girls ( big bass are nearly always female )

Also a surface lure IMHO fished in the right areas at the right pace , not fast , will be hard for a big fish to resist a free easy to catch meal ...

ANOTHER CLUE , easy to catch meal , spanking lures back in fast seems to really get the small fish going ,

dead drifting a soft , or tickling one across the bottom will give you a far better chance of a bigger fish ...

Sussuke sand borer for me is a great fish catcher ( although I wish it would keep its colour )

now spanking this lure at high speeds will catch you lots of bass , but I experimented and at face pace they all seemed to be up to 4 pound at best .....

Answer , I found a spit I like where flow powered round , I lobbed lure into this current and gently keep tight line , slow reel BANG ,

bigger bass ... the less this lure did the bigger the fish it caught for me ....To catch bigger bass you have to be happy to catch LESS bass

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Then I thought back to all the shore doubles I caught , early evening was the time , light fading fast but not gone ..

Bingo , bigger bass on these marks ,,, into darkness also , but as much as I enjoy the odd night lure session its just not the same imho

Cant see much , photos are pants , surface attacks cant be seen so the mouth watering hits are missed (hits not sucks ) .



Colours ,,, coloursnot important to some but it seems bigger fish don't agree with the experts ...

Arkins shiner sluggo , (sort of green top grey belly ) far out fished any other colour here and I mean like 10 to 1 ....

Also the large 7 inch was far better for BIGGER bass ,...

ANOTHER CLUE , big bass like big baits on average ...

of course a fly , a maggot , a tiny lure will catch huge bass , but few and far between imho , give them a fill up there have it .

less energy , more feed , so IE , slow and large is good way to go ...

My pb lure caught was on the large maria lasugunda , noisy as you like lure lure ( sorry Nick lol )

It was dirty water , so I picked a huge lure , loud rattle and fished it real slow ....

Mullet feed shallow catches far more and bigger than any other colour in the range ..

AYU x rap , small lure but caught me bass to just under double , other colours waste time for me , ( green and blue mac catch , but not any where near same rate per time used ) so to me Colours HUGELY important in all ranges of lures ....

DISTANCE ,

I believe , big bass sit off and let small fish feed , these fish CAN be caught at range , a few of my lure doubles have come as FAR as I could throw the lure and less than 3 turns the handle .....

I have visitors now , and mrs has told me to get of and don't be rude lol , so please add things that you know and feel help catch big bass ,

Ill add more later ,,,



ok one more , stealth , tip toes , creeping , quiet , etc etc ,

Large bass are close in first light and very easily spooked unlike there smaller babies ...

stay back and throw light lures , no splash .............

ok love I hear you , im coming off ,,,,,,,, please don't hit me ,,,,,,:giveup:lol
 

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Agree with you on the baits, BIG Baits = BIG bass a 12-15lb'er can very easily swallow a live skad twice the size of any lure I've ever seen in a shop over here. We even had one cough up 3 red band fish (they seem to love them) over 40cm long at once greedy fella.
 

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I've only seen 1 BIG BASS get caught before by mr wright, first light, soft plastic, 2nd cast before I had chance to thrash the water with my big patchinko, he didn't even twitch the lure, we were fishing in a fast flowing area and he was waiting for it to sink before he started twitching.

This 100% backs up what you say, ask me in six months and il give you a more comprehensive answer when I've caught a few doubles myself, il be pestering you for tips again soon ha ha happy birthday for yesterday too...
 

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Big bass close in...absolutely... nearly stepped on one, one still evening, in a rocky gully on the purbecks...only fish I saw thar evening ?! Still trying to get beyond 7lb on lures...landed?!?! Upscaling atm trying to find a winter whopper...170 -200mm hardbaits and big 9-12" softs fished slow.....blanking so far...but better than watching T.V. ?!?!
 

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Like it Mark.......well written piece in good old school language that the average bod can relate to . Must remember the bit about when the small bass go off the feed , there may be lunkers waiting to mop up .....sounds common sense but in the heat of the moment its easy to rush to another spot , i know im guilty of that . Cheers :thumbs:
 

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nice one m/333..
if i may ad.
big bass are like crocks ,they dont have to feed every day.
big bass are not scared off by seals,.they will in fact follow them to pick off scraps.
big bass prefer crustasions ,and will not pass up an easy meal,..i/e fish slow for them.[as said.]
and i agree they are more active in low light.

hope that's more diplomatic.:unsure:
 

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Hey Mark,,,, I've got one of those LaSagundas.......my kids play with it in the bath..minus the hooks though obviously lol.

Mark.....A seriously good and well written thought provoking post.

Lets keep this one going........
 

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A few years ago, there was a thread on here asking when it was that people had caught their best/biggest bass - started by Plugs 'n' Runs, if memory serves me right. Based upon the respondents' answers, it was quite clear that the majority of peoples' biggest fish had actually been captured during the daytime! Although they may move closer to the shore at night (I have seen no 'proof' of this mind) big bass also feed quite happily in the hours of daylight.
When smaller bass move off, big bass move in - this may also be the case. But be aware, it could just as easily be a case of when big bass move in, the smaller bass move away. I have seen this scenario with other species; there is often a distinct pecking order.
To consistently capture of better-sized bass, an angler needs to learn where and when they might appear (watercraft) and why they are there. The best tactics in the world are never going to catch fish that aren't there!
And remember, success breeds success!

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Kes
 

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I don't think lazy is the right word, I think conservative is better.
Lazy gives the impression of slow and sluggish and overweight. I've never seen a bass that is fat like a carp, stocky but never fat.
I think if you fish where large bass feed chances are you'll get into one.
The problem most people face is finding these places.
 

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Being lucky enough to land a few crocs over the years have to agree big bass are scavengers and ambush specialist but they are also cute hoors

Imo I find bigger fish will sit in a spot were the current and the food come to them
also think bigger bass will bully smaller fish to get
The best ambush spots !!
found on many occasions smaller fish will sit in the main current behind cover ie rocks, weed., gullies but bigger fish will sit further down were the current eases

also find estuaries will hold a good stamp of fish just don't leave to early as I find bigger bass are sometimes the last to leave !!
 

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Being lucky enough to land a few crocs over the years have to agree big bass are scavengers and ambush specialist but they are also cute hoors

Imo I find bigger fish will sit in a spot were the current and the food come to them
also think bigger bass will bully smaller fish to get
The best ambush spots !!
found on many occasions smaller fish will sit in the main current behind cover ie rocks, weed., gullies but bigger fish will sit further down were the current eases

also find estuaries will hold a good stamp of fish just don't leave to early as I find bigger bass are sometimes the last to leave !!
Stop using fancy Irish words will you, i had to google `cute hoors`, you had me baffled, (dont take a lot mind)...lol
 

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LOL sorry pal
Be careful goggling that ya might get side tracked!!
It`s a good description of a bass though, here`s what the urban dictionary said..

phrase used in Ireland to describe a slippery customer, a rogue, a charlatan, someone who seems upstanding or innocent and mild but who never misses an opportunity to screw you over, scam you, rip you off or hide their farcical f**k ups, blame everyone else for the s**t they cause and generally lure you into their Machiavellian trap... unsurprisingly generally applied to cowboy politicians, corrupt rich tax evaders and their ilk...
 

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Good post Mark, and definitely something to think about
As a Carp angler I was once told the best way to catch big fish is to, 1) Fish places that hold big fish, 2) use big baits, So I started making boilies the size of golf balls instead of the pesky little 10mm or 18mm offerings bought in shops.
Now bearing in mind I stopped Fishing for Carp about 25 years ago, when a UK 20 was a good fish, and a 30 only very rarely heard of from Redmire and occasionally Yateley, I managed to catch one 30 and more 20's than I can remember using the big baits so there must be something in it.
 

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Cheers for the replies , ,
Yes it helps even if you find out from local shops or comps where big bass get caught on a regular basis .
I still stick with the word lazy because even though it's great to get a double fig bass. , there are not great fighters .
Slow and dogged , deep and strong , short heavy bursts of power , where I have had 6. 8 .s and one 9 that went crazy ...

My pb was one of the worst fights I have ever had . Bit drag took and gave up ,

Bass come back to there same haunts year in year out , proved by tagging , so if you find a spot with a good stamp of 5 pound plus fish , put them back , these
Fish are your future stock , take a 2.5 to 4 .5 for your tea , smaller waste time , all head ,guts tail , not much meat , bigger
Your breeding stock , so give it some thought .

Nick it was the large mullet lasugunda , again the only colour worth using for me in that range ,
Please take it out there hands and post to me if it's grey coloured lol

Ireland , pains me to say it , but the facts are there year in year out ,
There stamp of fish is better ....
Been going for 25 years , and will keep going , because of this fact ...
But I would say it's far easier for me to catch far more bass per session in uk .

Any one looking for 4 pound plus fish stamp per day . Ireland is a must .

Trigger ,

Triggering a fish to feed is a skill , we are lucky here that we have lots clear clean water at are marks and bass can be seen ...
Seeing them is one thing , you can cast all you like at them but until you find the trigger that gets them to feed forget it .

For me the trigger is nearly always surface
 

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Trigger ,
Surface because I think. Large bass don't like disturbance in there swims .
You can get them wound up and attack out of being narked off , kind of a get out of my patch king of thing ....

Also another reason I know bass don't just suck baits in as when there narked they slash at the bait with there gill rakers to injure it
Hence you get hook up on the out side of the mouth , I get this lots where tide minnows , etc have been slashed at and not one hook in its mouth .

So even when you can't see fish , you then remember what is needed to induce this trigger behaviour ...

Huge tip , ,

I have lost count of the amount of times 2big fish get caught together , if your with a mate , get him to cast straight out straight away .

Last year 2 great mates of mine caught a 8.3 and a 8.1 in two casts ,
Big bass pair up , don't know why , but from my bait days two big bass a session was happening a lot

Also joe and Dave . A 9 and 7.5 a few yards from each other and no other bass caught on the day ...

Hrs on the water ..
These days with bills , it's hard to find time as easy , but the more effort you put in the more chances of big fish you get ,

I try to fish 30 hrs a week over three to four trips , people will get lucky on odd trip ,
But even when the fishing is hard you learn so so much even on pants days .

What kes said about success breeds success is so true ....

Practice make perfect .

If you could not hold a dart but peppered a board 3hrs a day every day for 6 months you be a very very good player .
Good snooker players with 40. 60 breaks , move up to 80s with time on the table ..

It's no different in angling , do the right things over and over and over again , it becomes second nature .

Reason I don't use an rap ayu much , or a ghost gun fish is because it's far to easy now , to catch with these lures on my marks , so I try to make things harder .
Don't get me wrong , if I'm struggling bad they come out , struggle over nearly instantly ...
Why , because it's second nature to me with them with the unreal amount of water time they have both had ...

Better to fish 6 great lures that work ,,,,,,hard for a whole season , than throw all you have in you the sea each trip in a kind of chuck it a chance kind of way .

About 4 lures per trip would be max for me to use ....
I may carry 3lure trays , up to 60 to cover all bases ...
Weather can change when out there and I hate thinking wish I had that lure so I'll carry plenty , no big shakes ..
Just looking at conditions and colour of water normally tells me which few lures to put in my wader pouch .

Learning ..

All learning , nobody knows even a smidgin of what's out there , if you think you know it all give up , you have lost ....
I love learning year in year out ...it's what keeps it fresh for me .
 

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Big bass to me is 5plus, never landed a double but had plenty over 5 and lots over 6-7, for what it's worth all the bigger ones have come off rockyer ground where there is deeper water with lots of depth changes, or very easy access to deep water by drop offs or casting way out into the tide where the flotsam flows. Half the time the only lure I can reach it with is the patch and if it's mackerelly seems to work usually with the tide. Can't fish softs to save a life or darkness, daylight isn't a problem. I'm sure Devon doubles are few and far between all round and I'd bet the deep estuary is where they at just got to deal with the warfare for a space. I don't think there's much in it for divers hooking better fish more about where the lure is and if it hooks any fish or not.
 

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I really don't like big bass threads because it reminds me of the one i lost,i posted on here and people thought it behaved like a large bass,anyway i hooked it on a surface lure with a mucked up cast trying to land the lure soft and only succeeding in skimming the surface at speed towards me when the fish hooked,i'm wondering after your post mark if in fact the fish was foul hooked after it stuck out.

Just to add,this was a spot that took me a long time to come across that holds a larger stamp of fish,like kes said it's all about finding them imho.
 
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