The ETEC 75 is one hell of an engine and used to be regarded the best one of them all

if you fitted an etec 75 you sure would notice the difference Warrior boats used to do them on the 165 and sell it as the best package money could buy


ETEC

 

If the plate on the back says, "Max engine = 75hp @ 185kgs. Max people = 5". Exceeding 75hp would invalidate your insurance. Go for the 75hp ETEC.

 

e-tec 75 is 145 kgs :thumbs:
a friend of mine had a qs 560 and it came with a 75 4/ merc
the merc was a noisy beast so he chopped it in for an e=-tec 75 :thumbs:
recons it was the best thing he did.
started easier,quieter,and more go from the off.
really the e-tec 75 will be plenty on your qs

 

Surprised the rating for a 5.6m boat is as low as 75hp, but I would say definitely go for the ETEC, I don't think you'll regret it, and whilst I doubt the savings you will make in running costs will recoup the outlay, you still notice a saving in day to day running costs after you've 'forgotten' the outlay.

 

I would have a look at the Suzuki df70, this is a 4 cylinder 1500cc engine compared to the e-tec which is 3 cylinder 1296cc. so i would imagine the suzuki would run a bit smoother and have the same amount of low end grunt that e-tec would have.

 

I would have a look at the Suzuki df70, this is a 4 cylinder 1500cc engine compared to the e-tec which is 3 cylinder 1296cc. so i would imagine the suzuki would run a bit smoother and have the same amount of low end grunt that e-tec would have.

I've got a DF70 and it's great and very econonical. Don't take any notice of all the stories about needing lots of sevices. Once a year, which for peace of mind is well worth the cost.

 

Other than purchase cost and cost of servicing (and possibly quality of dealership - which will vary from area to area) and 5hp there's probably very little to choose between the most modern 70/75hp models - i.e. ETEC 75, Suzuki 70, Honda 75 and Yamaha 70 in terms of ease of starting, running and fuel consumption and I don't suppose you'd go wrong with any of them. ETEC may be not quite as smooth at idle, but it's far from a rough runner, and does of course offer the 3 year full service intervals, being able to run flat out straight out of the box and auto-winterisation - only you can decide how much those things matter.

ETEC and Yamaha are also noticeably more compact than the other two but on the back of QS560 I don't suppose that matters much.

 

You only really need winterising if you're going to lay it up for the winter, I try to use mine all year round.

 

I've got a DF70 and it's great and very econonical. Don't take any notice of all the stories about needing lots of sevices. Once a year, which for peace of mind is well worth the cost.

Do we really need to find your post's where you clearly stated you wouldnt ever have a suzuki?

the Suzuki is a good engine but in the first year it will need 2 services FACT!
at the end of the second year it will need a service FACT!
at the end of the thrird year it will need another service FACT!

so that is 4 services the first about 140 the rest on average 200 so add that up its £740

the etec will of needed one at approx 220 so that is already a saving of £520 but the etec will need a bit of oil and to keep in line with services about a us Gallon per year @ £45 so thats 3x45= 135
so 520 minus 135 is 385 of savings straight away

dont forget this is just costs this does not include taking time to take to the dealer for its service or the towing as well all mega hassels which only need doing every 3 years with the ETEC



ETEC

 

Do we really need to find your post's where you clearly stated you wouldnt ever have a suzuki?

That was a few years ago, now that I've got one I'm speaking from my own experience.

the Suzuki is a good engine but in the first year it will need 2 services FACT!
at the end of the second year it will need a service FACT!
at the end of the thrird year it will need another service FACT!

so that is 4 services the first about 140 the rest on average 200 so add that up its £740

the etec will of needed one at approx 220 so that is already a saving of £520 but the etec will need a bit of oil and to keep in line with services about a us Gallon per year @ £45 so thats 3x45= 135
so 520 minus 135 is 385 of savings straight away

dont forget this is just costs this does not include taking time to take to the dealer for its service or the towing as well all mega hassels which only need doing every 3 years with the ETEC

ETEC

When I mentioned the DF70 in this thread, I was just giving the OP some info. I didn't want to resurrect this old chestnut, as it's been done to death several times.

When was boating ever cheap????

I've got nothing against ETEC's.

If Warrior's had been prepared to supply my boat with an ETEC, that's what I would have had, but they had experienced warranty problems with Evinrude, so stopped fitting them.

Perhaps I'll better stay out of discussions on engines in future. :giveup:

 

That was a few years ago, now that I've got one I'm speaking from my own experience.



When I mentioned the DF70 in this thread, I was just giving the OP some info. I didn't want to resurrect this old chestnut, as it's been done to death several times.

When was boating ever cheap????

I've got nothing against ETEC's.

If Warrior's had been prepared to supply my boat with an ETEC, that's what I would have had, but they had experienced warranty problems with Evinrude, so stopped fitting them.

Perhaps I'll better stay out of discussions on engines in future. :giveup:

Brian

Suzuki make damm good engines but in your post you said

. Don't take any notice of all the stories about needing lots of sevices. Once a year, which for peace of mind is well worth the cost.

But failed to mention that in the first year it needs 2 whereas the ETEC only needs one every 3 years.

Warriorboats used to say nothing but good things about ETEC's I will try and find the email where I was recomended an ETEC 75 over all the other engines, The problem with the ETEC is it needs setting up right and it cannot just be bolted straight on and away you go it does need time setting it up, this is what some dealers dont like as with the 4 strokes its bolt on and away, The ETEC if not done right will give lots of problems and this is where the issues start as i know i went through it with my last engine and ended up having to take it to another dealer and get it set up right.

If i was to lay money on why Warrior dont fit them it will be the time spent setting them up, they are in bussiness to make money and why sell something which wont make as much.

I had my first ETEC and at 3.5 years noticed that the engine covers had some minor cracks in them i spoke with my dealer and he contacted BRP and they replaced the FOC even though the engine was at that time out of waranty, this problem of cracks was down to a manurfacturing fault and dealers overtighening them, this has all been sorted now but remember all manurfactures have had problems and its how they deal with them that gives confidence.

ETEC

 

Brian

Suzuki make damm good engines but in your post you said



But failed to mention that in the first year it needs 2 whereas the ETEC only needs one every 3 years.

Warriorboats used to say nothing but good things about ETEC's I will try and find the email where I was recomended an ETEC 75 over all the other engines, The problem with the ETEC is it needs setting up right and it cannot just be bolted straight on and away you go it does need time setting it up, this is what some dealers dont like as with the 4 strokes its bolt on and away, The ETEC if not done right will give lots of problems and this is where the issues start as i know i went through it with my last engine and ended up having to take it to another dealer and get it set up right.

If i was to lay money on why Warrior dont fit them it will be the time spent setting them up, they are in bussiness to make money and why sell something which wont make as much.

I had my first ETEC and at 3.5 years noticed that the engine covers had some minor cracks in them i spoke with my dealer and he contacted BRP and they replaced the FOC even though the engine was at that time out of waranty, this problem of cracks was down to a manurfacturing fault and dealers overtighening them, this has all been sorted now but remember all manurfactures have had problems and its how they deal with them that gives confidence.

ETEC

I couldn't have bought an ETEC 75 for £4700 fitted. The money saved on purchase more than covered the first 3 services.

Here's the email I received from Warrior when I tried to order mine with an ETEC.

From: paulhaynes@warriorboats.co.uk
To: brunyard@hotmail.com
Subject: Warrior 165
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:25:01 +0000

Hi Brian,thanks for your mail.We do not fit Evinrude due to warranty issues we have with them.We can supply the finished package with the new 70hp Suzuki fuel efficient engine for £13200 valid for 30 days or we can offer the package less engine for £8500 again valid for 30 days.Regards Paul Haynes Warrior Boats

 

I couldn't have bought an ETEC 75 for £4700 fitted. The money saved on purchase more than covered the first 3 services.

Here's the email I received from Warrior when I tried to order mine with an ETEC.

From: paulhaynes@warriorboats.co.uk
To: brunyard@hotmail.com
Subject: Warrior 165
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:25:01 +0000

Hi Brian,thanks for your mail.We do not fit Evinrude due to warranty issues we have with them.We can supply the finished package with the new 70hp Suzuki fuel efficient engine for £13200 valid for 30 days or we can offer the package less engine for £8500 again valid for 30 days.Regards Paul Haynes Warrior Boats

Typical sales hype as in 2009 Ardwell marine was selling 165's on rollercoaster trailers for 6k add 5.5k for the engine and you would be able to buy a lot of other stuff for the savings

they made it look expensive to buy a 165 with an ETEC and they are really selling the suzuki for 4700 yeah right!!

It was your choice Brian and they are a good engine but the service costs do add up and the etec's are proving the test of time


ETEC 75's can be had for about 5.5k so even now its cheaper to do one with an etec

http://www.ardwellmarine.co.uk/WARRIOR_165.htm Typical sales hype from warrior and they got you

we are 3 years down the line and a 165 can be had for 7k add a trailer and that would be just over 8k if tyou shop around then the engine 13500 and that would be done

15750 for a 165 now with a suzuki 70 and some electronics but the above would leave you more to get better electronics

ETEC

 

The price quoted included a lot of extras that I'd specified.

If you've got a problem with the prices, Paul Haynes email address was included in my last reply, argue it with him.
Anyway what have I done to upset you? Isn't it time we hit this on the head? I'm getting bored now.

 

Anyway what have I done to upset you? Isn't it time we hit this on the head?

You havent done anything to upset me i am merely pointing out facts and the one you say is not and issue is the difference in services, which it is a huge difference


ETEC

 

As I stated I more than saved the extra servicing costs on the purchase price. Yes I did shop around to see where the best deal was, with all the extras I wanted.
Anyway, have it your way.

If you care to look at post #3, you'll see that I suggested he went for an ETEC 75 anyway.

I think the Suzuki is best, you think the ETEC is best. As that's what we've each got, we're both happy.

I'm out of here.

 

Other than purchase cost and cost of servicing (and possibly quality of dealership - which will vary from area to area) and 5hp there's probably very little to choose between the most modern 70/75hp models - i.e. ETEC 75, Suzuki 70, Honda 75 and Yamaha 70 in terms of ease of starting, running and fuel consumption and I don't suppose you'd go wrong with any of them. ETEC may be not quite as smooth at idle, but it's far from a rough runner, and does of course offer the 3 year full service intervals, being able to run flat out straight out of the box and auto-winterisation - only you can decide how much those things matter.

ETEC and Yamaha are also noticeably more compact than the other two but on the back of QS560 I don't suppose that matters much.

I tend to think you just about summed it all up there. There are no bad engines out there in the market any more. Competition in the market makes sure they are all within a smidge of each other in performance ,reliability and economy. Its a bit like the car market now, even the humble Skoda is no longer the poor cousin and nobody would think twice about buying one.

The guy that services my outboard no longer sells them,he just does the service on all makes so I can get impartial advice from him.He certainly knows his stuff and has no axe to grind with any make, so his opinion is based on day to day experience.After a recent service on my Optimax, we had quite a long discussion on the pros and cons of different makes, and his opinion was the latest Suzuki was the pick of the bunch. The Honda was rated highly, but heavy and expensive to buy. The Etec does have long service intervals, but in his opinion, no engine in a marine environment should go that length of time without an interim service and grease up. Every single engine out there has its good and bad points, and just like anything else mechanical, you can buy a diamond or a lemon from any manufacturer, but he wouldnt try to put anyone off buying from any of the market leaders.

From what he said, it seems the best option is to buy whatever engine you can get the best deal on by shopping around until you find someone looking to offload stock. Provided you get the engine from a proper accredited dealer, then any of the major players will have a model to do the job.



Raider.

 

Do we really need to find your post's where you clearly stated you wouldnt ever have a suzuki?

the Suzuki is a good engine but in the first year it will need 2 services FACT!
at the end of the second year it will need a service FACT!
at the end of the thrird year it will need another service FACT!

so that is 4 services the first about 140 the rest on average 200 so add that up its £740

the etec will of needed one at approx 220 so that is already a saving of £520 but the etec will need a bit of oil and to keep in line with services about a us Gallon per year @ £45 so thats 3x45= 135
so 520 minus 135 is 385 of savings straight away

dont forget this is just costs this does not include taking time to take to the dealer for its service or the towing as well all mega hassels which only need doing every 3 years with the ETEC



ETEC

You don't mention that the spark plugs on a e-tec have to be indexed or the engine could be damaged and they cost 3 to 4 times as much as ones for a 4 stroke. Also would you really leave a engine 3 years without a service, not even gear lube change. Plus the e-tec's seems to burn about 1/2 to 1 gallon(U.S) more an hour than the 4 strokes from mid range to top end.

 

You don't mention that the spark plugs on a e-tec have to be indexed or the engine could be damaged and they cost 3 to 4 times as much as ones for a 4 stroke. Also would you really leave a engine 3 years without a service, not even gear lube change. Plus the e-tec's seems to burn about 1/2 to 1 gallon(U.S) more an hour than the 4 strokes from mid range to top end.

Service Kit for a suzuki 90 is approx £130 service kit for a ETEC is £125 nothing much there

the indexing well take it to a dealer to be serviced problem solved and we are talking new engines which have to be done by an approved dealer so the indexing is not a problem

as for fuel economy they are all about the same this one was done a few weeks back and i seem to remeber the ETECS came out middle of the road but the differences were very little at all

and would i leave an engine 3 years without a main dealer service yes i would but i do do checks and grease things up, there are other forum members who dont and just get them done every 3 years

ETEC

 

You don't mention that the spark plugs on a e-tec have to be indexed or the engine could be damaged and they cost 3 to 4 times as much as ones for a 4 stroke. Also would you really leave a engine 3 years without a service, not even gear lube change. Plus the e-tec's seems to burn about 1/2 to 1 gallon(U.S) more an hour than the 4 strokes from mid range to top end.

ok the plugs are expensive so the ETEC does not have an oil filter, a gallon of expensive engine oil, cambelt which can snap and needs changing every 5 years

there are pros and cons to all engines but if we are talking new then if you keep an engine 5 years and then move it on you dont have any worries as they are on waranty so why bother doing services which dont need doing


ETEC

 

e-tec 75 is 145 kgs :thumbs:
a friend of mine had a qs 560 and it came with a 75 4/ merc
the merc was a noisy beast so he chopped it in for an e=-tec 75 :thumbs:
recons it was the best thing he did.
started easier,quieter,and more go from the off.
really the e-tec 75 will be plenty on your qs

You gotta be joking! I have this engine/boat (carbed version) and mine isn't unduly loud at all. When I read all the hype about the Etecs claims I started to take note. I have since sort of taken an interest in them as they certainly have power and lots of it but I am not so sure they are quieter than my engine size for size! I have had an Etec zoom past us at speed followed by a Mercury 115HP and I have to say that I can still remember the Etec was the loudest. Maybe there was some reason why your friends Mercury being loud?

Billy,
My QS560 reaches 24.8knots with my 75HP Mercury 4 stroke (carbs). I do believe it is capable of another knot or even two if I lash down the aux engine in the tilt position but when I forget, it sometimes drops down creating drag when the prop skims the surface. 16 to 18 knots is our cruising speed which is comfortable, smooth and economical. Sure, we have been flat out for short bursts in millpond conditions but even then we always throttle back to 20 knots or so. Can't see a point in thrashing a four stroke all of the time.

Regards

Harry

 

When I read all the hype about the Etecs claims I started to take note. I have since sort of taken an interest in them as they certainly have power and lots of it


Regards

Harry

Harry you are secretly becoming and ETEC fan!!!!!


ETEC

 

Harry you are secretly becoming and ETEC fan!!!!!


ETEC

YES! :thumbs: (but it's not a secret now is it)?

The weight is my biggest attraction, then cost then servicing intervals!

Regards

Harry

 

would you really leave a engine 3 years without a service

Yes - I did so from brand new to a 7 year old ETEC. I did attend to all grease points every year (be daft not to when it's such a quick and easy job) and being cautious I had an engineer hook up his computer every 12 months to check for any faults that may not have shown. I also changed the gearbox oil every year - I don't think it was really necessary as the old oil was always clean as a whistle, but I wanted to do it to check the seals were OK. I never bothered checking the costs of the plugs, but a full service (including new plugs) was around £225.00 so I was more than happy with that.

Fuel consumption (on a 90) was 3 gallons an hour at a medium cruise and 4 gallons an hour at a fast cruise - I think you'd need one of the newer tech 4 strokes such as the Suzuki or Honda to match that.

 

E-TEC,
Do BRP pay you for every post you put on here to praise the e-tec?