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Evening lads what kind of range are you guys receiving / transmitting between boat friends while out on the water without any obstructions?

Cheers Paul
 
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When I fitted a new antenna, I could easily pick up signals from ports that were out of line of sight 10 miles away. Out at sea I’ve not been out of range of the Coastguards station which has an antenna high up. Signals from other boats are only limited by their antenna’s height above water for line of sight.

Are you planning an adventure or having problems?
 
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Hey Paul,
I've never had an issue picking you up between 3mile and the Oysterledge (approx 5miles). Who was the other boat- could they be the ones struggling to transmit/receive?

@gowerpower may have a point regarding the frequency your transmitting on; I rarely ever change to 25w as my set turns to 1w when I press 16... I've never really noticed how far away we can communicate with other boats, but in some weather conditions it seems to cut the distance right down - maybe next time we're both out we can test how far we can communicate via VHF.
 
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As a rule of thumb, assume 1W per mile with line of sight. VHF does not go round corners or bend around the Earth. Because of that the aerial height determines effective range. This shows the distance for a high mast on a shore station (from the RYA course book and www.boat-angling.co.uk).
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The horizon is 3 miles away from a person with an eye height of 2 metres so if your antennae was 2 metres above water level you could in theory reach another boat with similar antennae 6 miles away if you were transmitting at least 6 watts of power.
 
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Hey Paul,
I've never had an issue picking you up between 3mile and the Oysterledge (approx 5miles). Who was the other boat- could they be the ones struggling to transmit/receive?

@gowerpower may have a point regarding the frequency your transmitting on; I rarely ever change to 25w as my set turns to 1w when I press 16... I've never really noticed how far away we can communicate with other boats, but in some weather conditions it seems to cut the distance right down - maybe next time we're both out we can test how far we can communicate via VHF.
On my last outing my friend was struggling to talk with me I would guess the problem would be his side , I've also had channel 18 on to listen how busy tawe lock is as I would rather fish another hour than hold in the river and I noticed out deep off the swigg I can't hear tawe lock ?
 
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I've also had channel 18 on to listen how busy tawe lock is as I would rather fish another hour than hold in the river and I noticed out deep off the swigg I can't hear tawe lock ?
I often communicate with tawe lock on 18 from out wide off mumbles head, saved my ass a few times when running late or checking on lock master decision closures. Definitely worth testing next time your out.
 
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I struggle to speak with my local marine rescue station even less than 1km from their base when it's in clear site yet I can talk with other rescue bases 80km away on a good day. This simply doesn't make any sense to me, also when the local base isn't manned the land base switches over to repeater stations which means we then communicate with Sydney base 360km away.
 
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As a rule of thumb, assume 1W per mile with line of sight. VHF does not go round corners or bend around the Earth. Because of that the aerial height determines effective range. This shows the distance for a high mast on a shore station (from the RYA course book and www.boat-angling.co.uk).
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The horizon is 3 miles away from a person with an eye height of 2 metres so if your antennae was 2 metres above water level you could in theory reach another boat with similar antennae 6 miles away if you were transmitting at least 6 watts of power.

Radio waves can be bent, distorted, by atmospherics, high pressure and very low pressure can do weird things to your signal.
 
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I struggle to speak with my local marine rescue station even less than 1km from their base when it's in clear site yet I can talk with other rescue bases 80km away on a good day. This simply doesn't make any sense to me, also when the local base isn't manned the land base switches over to repeater stations which means we then communicate with Sydney base 360km away.
That could be a function of their antenna gain which focuses the radio energy into a narrower band and as the emanating radiation energy is in a teardrop shape for single pole antennae if it is mounted higher than you are at short range you may be in a shadow area.
I looked for a good example to show radiation patterns but google failed me. The following on a keep it simple basis was the best I could find. However it may explain what is happening with you and indeed the OP if he has a high gain antenna and the boats were rolling in a swell.

https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Selecting-a-VHF-Antenna

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