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...............about my casting?

I usually use a Mag Elite, and rarely get a birdie. But for heavier use I bought an Okuma Magnetix. With this; and my usual OTG, I get numerous tangles. However, if I Brighton/Unitech cast............no trouble at all. The rod is a bit of a beast: the previous owner lost the tip and it is now 6" shorter and can pull in whales. Or Wales, if I were stronger:showoff:

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Strange one that. You'dve thought with the more sudden and rapid acceleration of a brighton/uni, more birdies will happen cos of the naturally increased "snatchiness" of the cast compared to an otg.
Tells me you need to up the mags on yr magnetix,lol
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Tells me you have a typical mag reel where the braking doesn't start working until a certain amount of revs are achieved. From what I've seen magged reels make casting under 90yards far harder than non magged reels as you loose the mag part of the braking at a time when you need as much braking as possible.

The casting style doesn't affect the reel as you've got your thumb clamped over it, the reel comes into play when you let go and it suddenly has to feed line proportionate to the velocity and momentum of the trace, bait and weight.
 
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That's a thought..........I've certainly noticed I can't do a 20 yard lob without keeping my thumb on the spool all the time. The Mag Elite certainly covers up for the inadequacies of my casting: whereas the Magnetix is much less forgiving. Axle grease in the bearings is the way forward, methinks......I didn't buy it for distance casting:)
 

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That's a thought..........I've certainly noticed I can't do a 20 yard lob without keeping my thumb on the spool all the time. The Mag Elite certainly covers up for the inadequacies of my casting: whereas the Magnetix is much less forgiving. Axle grease in the bearings is the way forward, methinks......I didn't buy it for distance casting:)


Using thicker line would have a similar braking effect Dave, without the need to take it apart!
 

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my magnetix reels are very safe at full mags. it doesnt matter if you are casting long or short, they should be fine.


is it overrunning mid cast or after the lead has landed? either way, take a bit of line off the spool and it should sort it out
 
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Using thicker line would have a similar braking effect Dave, without the need to take it apart!
my magnetix reels are very safe at full mags. it doesnt matter if you are casting long or short, they should be fine.


is it overrunning mid cast or after the lead has landed? either way, take a bit of line off the spool and it should sort it out
Oh dear............it was 30lb line:bye2: Mid cast, Mark. Cheered meself up today with a few practice casts on me Mag Elite (That really looks after me!)
 

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my magnetix reels are very safe at full mags. it doesnt matter if you are casting long or short, they should be fine.


is it overrunning mid cast or after the lead has landed? either way, take a bit of line off the spool and it should sort it out
hey up mark, a thought. i know the rod is a rib opener without the missing six inch. if gulp is bending it at all, whats left of the tip will recover with the speed of a cat, with its arse on fire. and being a short chuck, i reckon the birdie is developing about the time he has lifted his thumb.????
 

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The magnetix is a basic magnetic reel, the braking force is the same whatever the revs - unlike centrifugal brakes or thicker oil or the 7HT mag. If you put them on full you can test this by spinning the spool....about 10s off or a second or two on full for mine.

They do run very fast, so crank the mags up.
 

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The magnetix is a basic magnetic reel, the braking force is the same whatever the revs - unlike centrifugal brakes or thicker oil or the 7HT mag. If you put them on full you can test this by spinning the spool....about 10s off or a second or two on full for mine.

They do run very fast, so crank the mags up.
Hi there, your theory above regarding the magnetic braking force being the same whatever the revs......not quite right. I used to think the same but was educated .....The spool isn't braked by magnetic attraction it is braked by the magnetic field. The way it is braked relies on Lenz's Law.
In that the magnet is effected by a conductor moving through the magnetic field.
IE. The spool is the conductor and it spins through the field, the greater the revs the greater the braking effect.

The faster the speed (or rpm if rotating), the more counter force that is developed. [This is fundamental in any magnetic brake design – and all mag reels operate this way!] Without any movement, no counter force or braking occurs.


I know this doesn't answer the question as to why the reel over runs...but thought I would just mention how the mag braking units work and it opened my eyes as I was also of the opinion that a mag'd reel had the same braking not matter how it was spinning....just goes to show how sometimes what we think can be a long way off what is fact.

I ve got two magnetix reels and one is easy to cast the other very unpredictable......It's a shame the mag carrier is fixed in or perhaps some tweaking could sort out the problems.
 
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Hi there, your theory above regarding the magnetic braking force being the same whatever the revs......not quite right. I used to think the same but was educated .....The spool isn't braked by magnetic attraction it is braked by the magnetic field. The way it is braked relies on Lenz's Law.
In that the magnet is effected by a conductor moving through the magnetic field.
IE. The spool is the conductor and it spins through the field, the greater the revs the greater the braking effect.

The faster the speed (or rpm if rotating), the more counter force that is developed. [This is fundamental in any magnetic brake design – and all mag reels operate this way!] Without any movement, no counter force or braking occurs.


I know this doesn't answer the question as to why the reel over runs...but thought I would just mention how the mag braking units work and it opened my eyes as I was also of the opinion that a mag'd reel had the same braking not matter how it was spinning....just goes to show how sometimes what we think can be a long way off what is fact.

I ve got two magnetix reels and one is easy to cast the other very unpredictable......It's a shame the mag carrier is fixed in or perhaps some tweaking could sort out the problems.
The magnetic field sets up little electric currents (eddy currents) in the spool. These react with the fields in line with Lenz's law as you describe. This is the answer to the oft posed question "How can magnets affect the spool when it is made of a material that does not react to magnets?"
 

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Hi there, your theory above regarding the magnetic braking force being the same whatever the revs......not quite right. I used to think the same but was educated .....The spool isn't braked by magnetic attraction it is braked by the magnetic field. The way it is braked relies on Lenz's Law.
In that the magnet is effected by a conductor moving through the magnetic field.
IE. The spool is the conductor and it spins through the field, the greater the revs the greater the braking effect.

The faster the speed (or rpm if rotating), the more counter force that is developed. [This is fundamental in any magnetic brake design – and all mag reels operate this way!] Without any movement, no counter force or braking occurs.


I know this doesn't answer the question as to why the reel over runs...but thought I would just mention how the mag braking units work and it opened my eyes as I was also of the opinion that a mag'd reel had the same braking not matter how it was spinning....just goes to show how sometimes what we think can be a long way off what is fact.

I ve got two magnetix reels and one is easy to cast the other very unpredictable......It's a shame the mag carrier is fixed in or perhaps some tweaking could sort out the problems.
I agree with your theory about the magnetic field as the spools are milled down from aluminium block or duralumin. Either way as being a non ferrus metal they are not magnetic and a magnet wouldn't stick to them. But magnets still slow them down.
If i remember rightly the magnetex reels have an unusual way of moving the magnets. John Holden did a survey on them a couple of years back. Apparently when you move the mag adjuster to the full on position it moves the magnets nearer the rim of the spool thus having more effect over a larger area and to decrease braking it moves them nearer to the spindle of the spool.
Most magnetic adjusters work by moving the magnets closer for more and further away for less, but stay in the same position in relation to the spool.
 
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I put the reel on my Greyflex yesterday (My Mag Elite having gone sick). Cast as sweetly as anything. In fact - as it was only partially full of 30lb line- I emptied the reel on one cast:)

So it was the rod, as OLdchukka surmised.
 
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