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Last rod i whipped eyes onto,the thread was not strong as it kept snaping with little preasure to it.

Was wondering what grade or line diamiter do i need to whip my beachcaster?Any advice would be much appreciated,thanks.
 

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yes thread comes in differant thichness,s A normally being the thinest most tend to a D form main whip then A as a tip
 

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i guess it depends which make of thread you use aswell i use grade d gudebrod
 

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Might be worth remembering that nylon thread has a higher tensile strength than NCP, difference is around a couple of pounds give or take.

A in nylon is about or just under 3lb and D around the 7lb mark
A in NCP is just over 2lb and D a bit over 5lb so if you are using NCP you wont be able to pull as hard as with nylon.

I tend to use C on virtually everything except fly rods, even 130 trolling with double overwraps. The strongest wrap is actually "A". It`s not the strength of the thread it`s the number of wraps of thread per given length, inch, cm, whatever. "A" will give you more wraps per inch than C although a pain to use on larger diameter rods.
 

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Thanks all,for the advice :thumbs:

Spot on will get my auld flattie rod back in action,will take a while as am doing a full rebuild.

Ave been searching on rod repair (whipping)

sand paper 800-1000 for the blank,worried about taking the rings all off to varnish the blank.

Thought might just take them off one at a time and whip and onto the next one till all whipped.
Either epoxy them first then varnish the rest of the blank later or should i varnish it to the whippings then epoxy?

One more question (sorry) what kind of varnish is best recomended.

Thanks again for the help :thumbs:
 

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Thanks to all for the advise,rod got 2 coats of varnish and lay for a while.

Decided to do all the underwhipping a few days a go,took me 3hours,put on the pva and left it till today.Did all the whipping to the eyes and put pva on them today took me about four n a half hours.

Rod looking cool,will epoxy them maybe Monday or tuesday,cant wait till its finished,probly be finished not this weekend but next,as i hav,nt started the butt of the rod yet,its only varnished so far.Will have to get some shrink wrap.Glad i will have it ready for the TRI MEET :happy:.
 

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Well done m8 with getting it done.
Patience is a virtue, so they say!
Don't forget to keep giving the rod a turn through 90 degrees, so that you don't get the sagging drip on the under of the threads when you put on the finish.
Good luck m8, any help I can give, give me a shout.
Richard.
 

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Heres a tip.
Get yourself a bobbin holder for the thread as used by fly tyers,saves loads of hassle when rod whipping.
No more dropping the bobbin and having to rewind it.
You can just let it hang below the rod any time you want to stop.
 

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Well done m8 with getting it done.
Patience is a virtue, so they say!
Don't forget to keep giving the rod a turn through 90 degrees, so that you don't get the sagging drip on the under of the threads when you put on the finish.
Good luck m8, any help I can give, give me a shout.
Richard.
Maybe get a rod and fly turner for my xmas :whistling ,as this is the last 1 i will be sitting turning for about 3 hours :headhurt:

Heres a tip.
Get yourself a bobbin holder for the thread as used by fly tyers,saves loads of hassle when rod whipping.
No more dropping the bobbin and having to rewind it.
You can just let it hang below the rod any time you want to stop.
Exactlly what i use too :thumbs: with two bits of cardboard,turned into long triangles with V shape cut out them .Ideal for turning rod evenly.

I decided blue underwhipping with a purple eye whippings,nightmare as am colour blind,had to sit with my headtorch on my head to see what i was doing,will go for a brighter colour for the underwhipping next time.
Shes looking good so far so will definitly take my time with the rest:thumbs:
 

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Thats me just finished putting the epoxy on,might just go fishing this weekend.
Ave got to sit and turn it now and then till about 1ish n that should do.:cool:
 

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Good going, you've got a few hours of turning now.
Make sure if you've got any pets to keep them away, unless of course you've got it in a drying box.
Obviously the warmer the surrounding temperature the quicker the curing time.
 

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LOOKS GOOD,but i think i mixed no2 eye and no4 eye .when looking at the rod the 2nd and 3rd eye looks the same but the fourth looks a tiny bit littler ,you can just notice and no more.:doh:

Cant belive it as i put them on wrong way at first took them off and put them back on the same way WRONG.:ahhh:

Took them off and changed them looks right now,wiil epoxy them again in a few days time,i'll be glad when its finished.
 

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Chuck away the PVA...use the epoxy with two coats, first coat put a good dollop and spread it by rotating the blank against the brush. Do this quickly over the whole rod section, then go back and lift off as much of the epoxy as you can with the brush, and scrape the brush against the pot of finish to get the excess epoxy off the brush. This should leave the thread showing the turns of thread. Leave to set, rotating as normal. After a few minutes, warm each whipping with a ciggy lighter -DO NOT ALLOW THE FLAME TO TOUCH THE THREAD- this will pop any remaining bubbles (the carbon Dioxide from the flame lowers the surface tension of the epoxy resin, and the bubbles will burst). After 24 hours, mix a fresh batch and use a new brush (I use builders fitches once and chuck) and apply a second layer, just enough to coat completely with a little extra over the foot of each ring.
The PVA is not as strong as epoxy, and if used forms a layer that the stronger epoxy cannot penetrate. It used to be used as a colour preservative, along with things like banana oil and cellulose lacquer, the advent of the NCP threads should have seen it off, personally I prefer the regular threads as they have a sparkle that the NCP types do not have. I haven't used fillers on rods for over 30 years, any comments Stan?

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Not really Phil, the can of worms about using or not using CP is one a dont get into.

I use it a fair bit.
 

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Just finished putting epoxy on the 2 eyes ave moved,and gave the others another coat,will definitly be going fishing next weekend :happy:Rod looks cool :thumbs:
 

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Ave used PVA for them all as it saves the epoxy soaking through,and i epoxyed the whippings twice,i used a brush for the first epoxy but a spatula for the second as it puts more on than the brush would.
Cant wait till i get fishing with my (old) i mean new rod.

THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE ADVICE AND TIPS :thumbs:
 

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Just finished putting epoxy on the 2 eyes ave moved,and gave the others another coat,will definitly be going fishing next weekend :happy:Rod looks cool :thumbs:
Funky shoes in pic 2 dude
 
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