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Hi all, can anyone enlighten me on the action of this rod, the reason being, i have bought one , and was under the impression it was a stiff rod on reading the the adds, but i can say i dont think the action of the rod is not alot different to my zero plus! what worries me is that i bought this rod from a well known shop and they said it was brand new, iam now wondering if its not a blank thats been used on the casting court, and has sofend in the tip, and has now been built up something doesnt feel right about the rod.:unsure
 

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The only way I can imagine to tell the true action of a rod I haven't met before (and, let's face it, the manufacturers' descriptions and adverts may mean different things to different people)

is to visit a casting day, find someone with the rod you are interested in, quiz them on whether they got it new and how much they have used it (in case of softening from extensive use) and then - if they will let you - have a go with it.


Now that's quite a lot to manage (bearing in mind the number of different rods at a meet you may go to and whether any will be the one you are interested in....and if you'll be sufficiently-friendly with the owner)

I got an Aspire 130M without feeling it first, but did spend more than a year reading about it where ever I could to be fairly sure it was as "tippy" as Shimano said. In passing I handled their 140MP and it was a very different beast (fair do's: they do differentiate between them in the adverts)
 

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The only way I can imagine to tell the true action of a rod I haven't met before (and, let's face it, the manufacturers' descriptions and adverts may mean different things to different people)

is to visit a casting day, find someone with the rod you are interested in, quiz them on whether they got it new and how much they have used it (in case of softening from extensive use) and then - if they will let you - have a go with it.


Now that's quite a lot to manage (bearing in mind the number of different rods at a meet you may go to and whether any will be the one you are interested in....and if you'll be sufficiently-friendly with the owner)

I got an Aspire 130M without feeling it first, but did spend more than a year reading about it where ever I could to be fairly sure it was as "tippy" as Shimano said. In passing I handled their 140MP and it was a very different beast (fair do's: they do differentiate between them in the adverts)
Dont get me wroung the zti i have, i do like, but my own personal view is its not like some build it up to be , like uk hooks who say its a out and out tournament rod and a conger rod, thats the problem with zziplex rods in my mind they do not give us or the tackle shops a enough info on ther models, this rod for example is spot on for the bristol channel and it seems to have a nice fishing tip that will sit well in the tide, i will use it with no problems but i would like more feed back from anyone who has one and fishes with it.
 

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Hi all, can anyone enlighten me on the action of this rod, the reason being, i have bought one , and was under the impression it was a stiff rod on reading the the adds, but i can say i dont think the action of the rod is not alot different to my zero plus! what worries me is that i bought this rod from a well known shop and they said it was brand new, iam now wondering if its not a blank thats been used on the casting court, and has sofend in the tip, and has now been built up something doesnt feel right about the rod.:unsure
i got one new last year lovely fishing rod **** casting rod too soft but as i said lovely fishing rod.
 

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Interesting comparison, dont forget the Zero plus is a very powerfull rod and seriously big hitter on the field too. Im pretty sure Mr Thain hit in excess of 290yrds or roundabouts with one.
They are very different actioned rods suited to diff styles of casting so not the best of comparisons but I would expect as youve said the ZTI would feel slightly softer in the tip but it will have more recovery than the older Zero Plus. The butt on the Zero will be a bit tighter than the ZTI i would expect from my experience of owning a Zero and having cast a ZTI more than once.

At the end of the day the ZTI is just a beefed up m4 and the m4 is a beefed up profile, all of them are designed to bend and be used with slow loading wide arc styles, do that and they will cast miles!!!

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Not far off my own expierience of it Mark, if i hit hard it it just folded up on me and i came round way to fast and jarred my back. It didnt suit me but I know others who get on great with them.
 

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sorry mate where did i say it was a bad rod? do you understand what iam saying or have said, oh' thanks for your input, do you have a zti? thats why i said i would like more input from people who have one! :doh:
Bad was a wrong choice of word, doesn't feel right is what you used.

I don't own one, but I've cast with a mate's on a couple of occasions and it felt sweet as a nut casting 170g down on the beach & 150g on the field. For some reason I was happier with it casting in to a headwind on the beach, I suppose that's the place where it should be. If I had a spare 拢300 for a rod, I'd have one.

Soft is relative, it might feel soft to someone that's capable of 280yds+, it wouldn't feel soft to your average person.

I was just wondering why you think it doesn't feel right yet you consider it your favourite rod, therefore it can't be all that 'not right'.
 

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Bad was a wrong choice of word, doesn't feel right is what you used.

I don't own one, but I've cast with a mate's on a couple of occasions and it felt sweet as a nut casting 170g down on the beach & 150g on the field. For some reason I was happier with it casting in to a headwind on the beach, I suppose that's the place where it should be. If I had a spare 拢300 for a rod, I'd have one.

Soft is relative, it might feel soft to someone that's capable of 280yds+, it wouldn't feel soft to your average person.

I was just wondering why you think it doesn't feel right yet you consider it your favourite rod, therefore it can't be all that 'not right'.
What i meant when i said it doesnt feel right, is i have had a cast with one last year and it felt a little more stiff in the tip than the one i have got, the shop i bought it from said it was brand new, i no rods do go a little soft with use, that led me to think that someone in the shop had used it on the field with taped on eyes then the shop had it built, witch i wouldnt put it past them, but because that was the only one threre i couldnt compare one against the other, i got it for a good price so realy i cant complain nor am i, its just a feeling i got.
 

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You sound paranoid mate, like you've convinced yerself already, it's one of the best rods money can buy. I really doubt it's capable of softening up with use so soon, they've not been out for all that long (assuming it has been used as a casting blank). If it had been used a plenty, even the best cared for rods would have scratches on them. Zziplex do seem to have a reputation for each rod in model range having its own feel, rather than century that apparently all have an identical feel.

I've had the same 'weird' experience chucking with new rods, the C3ld was a prime example. I just couldn't get on with it the first few times I took it down the beach, it felt really hard work whilst everyone was saying it's a pussycat etc.

I eventually took it fishing and it suddenly felt like one of smoothest rods I'd ever cast with, even 200g + bait felt easy. From that point on it felt great, I just had to slow down my cast, that same failing still causes me trouble generally.

If I were you I'd give it plenty more time, if you don't like it, sell it on. They always fetch good money on the 2nd hand market. I doubt you've bought a lemon, so don't write it off just yet, get out and enjoy it. :kissing:
 

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You sound paranoid mate, like you've convinced yerself, it's one of the best rods money can buy. I really doubt it's capable of softening up with use so soon, they've not been out for all that long (assuming it has been used as a casting blank). If it had been used a plenty, even the best cared for rods would have scratches on them.

I've had the same 'weird' experience chucking with new rods, the C3ld was a prime example. I just couldn't get on with it the first few times I took it down the beach, it felt really hard work whilst everyone was saying it's a pussycat etc.

I eventually took it fishing and it suddenly felt like one of smoothest rods I'd ever cast with, even 200g + bait felt easy. From that point on it felt great, I just had to slow down my cast, that same failing still causes me trouble generally.

If I were you I'd give it plenty more time, if you don't like it, sell it on. They always fetch good money on the 2nd hand market. I doubt you've bought a lemon, so don't write it off just yet. :kissing:
that sounds good advice to me, its going to get a bash in morning, and yes i had the c3ld to and it didnt suit me, so i no what you mean about getting on with rods.
 

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that sounds good advice to me, its going to get a bash in morning, and yes i had the c3ld to and it didnt suit me, so i no what you mean about getting on with rods.
Swapping rods about on 1st impressions can get expensive. Put all those doubts to the back of your mind and enjoy it. If that doesn't work......sell it to me cheap or If you want a pokey rod I'll swap it for a Harrison P3, that'll put hairs on your chest. :crazy:
 

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Ive owned both the zero plus and the zti. I loved the zero plus for fishing and casting. I bought the zti when it first came out and what a big mistake. I hated it. It had a really stiff tip and was soft in the butt. I only used it a few times and got rid. I didnt like it for fishing or casting
 

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Hi all, can anyone enlighten me on the action of this rod, the reason being, i have bought one , and was under the impression it was a stiff rod on reading the the adds, but i can say i dont think the action of the rod is not alot different to my zero plus! what worries me is that i bought this rod from a well known shop and they said it was brand new, iam now wondering if its not a blank thats been used on the casting court, and has sofend in the tip, and has now been built up something doesnt feel right about the rod.:unsure
I've got a ZTI amd did have a Zero Plus. I would say the recovery is quicker than a Zero Plus. It's also gout a much slimmer butt which I believe is from the Primo Synchro. For field casting the ZTI some people say it's got too soft a butt. I would say it feals softish but propels the weight a long way. I also find it locks up easy. It's a very nice fishing rod. It's very different to the HSM in action. It's more of a forgiving through action. It's no Century TTR as far as stiff type rods go

HTH.

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i doubt that its been used on a casting court, taped on rings always leave some form of mark or dicolouration of blank and to be honest it wont soften up anyway, terry phylosophy has always been a rod has to bend to be cast properly. some peope think they know better but trust me they don't.
i accept all rods dont suit everybody but that rod will be capable of huge distances in the right hands.
just for the record peter thain didnt use a zero plus, he didnt like the action , he used quite a soft butted xtr with a powerpoint:)
 
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