Is this boat to be launched or to go on a mooring ?

How many people do you intend on fishing at any one time?

ETEC

 

Raider is like a pleasure boat for 3 the best to go out
But the warrior is something like a 4+ as there is just a cuddy cabin with lots of space to fish
Me myself prefer warrior 175

Jonathan

 

Raider is like a pleasure boat for 3 the best to go out
But the warrior is something like a 4+ as there is just a cuddy cabin with lots of space to fish
Me myself prefer warrior 175

Jonathan

Thanks Guys, I see your thinking there etec, it will be trailered max 4 anglers out of Plymouth probably max 20 miles.

Have you ever been on a Raider 18 Jonathan, there is bags of deck space, 52 sq ft to be exact.

Still 50/50 at the moment, think it depends on which is the best package to come along.

Ricoh.

 

yep i been on a raider 18 before one of my mates boat its a lovely boat but he got a cushion at the back it makes the room abit smaller but without a cushion back at the back its not really nice tho for that kind of money u've spent as its a pretty lovely boat

Jonathan

 

yep i been on a raider 18 before one of my mates boat its a lovely boat but he got a cushion at the back it makes the room abit smaller but without a cushion back at the back its not really nice tho for that kind of money u've spent as its a pretty lovely boat

Jonathan

Sorry Jonathan I can"t really make out what you are saying :g:
A Warrior 175 has a small cuddy, a Raider 18 Cuddy has a small cuddy, the Raider 18 Cuddy has a bigger deckspace than the Warrior.
The Raider you have been out on I assume was Luggys Raider 18 Wheelhouse which has much much more weather protection but as a result less deck.
I was out on Saturday on my Raider Wheelhouse (same as Lugs) with 3 onboard & it was fine but agree 4 is a squeeze, however I think that 4 on a 175 is a bit of a squeeze also.
Not getting into which is the better boat Raider 18 or Warrior 175 but for me personally due to the much much better protection from the elements the Raider suits me better.

headlight

 

Hi ask your self do you want to be wet or dry if you know the answer you know the boat you want :thumbs::thumbs:

 

Try to get a trip out on both before making any decision.

 

Hi ask your self do you want to be wet or dry if you know the answer you know the boat you want :thumbs::thumbs:

Which is which?

Never been on either apart from when they're stationery, but I've heard owners of both say they're very dry boats.

I think BrianR's suggestion is the only answer though, although this would put me off a newer Raider: http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/album.php?albumid=4719 - compared to the photos on Warrior's website of what's under their decks, there's no comparison.

 

Andy, as you already know I own a 175 and any one who tells you they are a dry boat has probably never been out side the lock gates of any marina.
If its shelter your looking for then the raider is a much better boat, if you want a boat that will smash through any thing and get you home then the 175 would be for you (but you'd be very wet at the end of it).
Theirs more room on a raider than on a 175 to fish from and most of this is stand up space.
I've just got back from the Rosslare small boats comp and I fished with boys that had a raider, we fished together all day and both clocked up 50 miles in one day, at the end of the day we both had the same fuel bill as each other which was a surprise I thought the raider would be cheaper on fuel so that Mith was blown out of the water.
Any warrior 175 owner that comes on here and tells you their boat is dry boat with the extension cover down is a bull s-----r but on the same hand I don't think you'll find any 175 owners who would ever swap to a raider EVER.
I think only you can make the choice mate no matter what we say on here.

 

If its shelter your looking for then the raider is a much better boat, if you want a boat that will smash through any thing and get you home then the 175 would be for you (but you'd be very wet at the end of it).

Is a 175 really that wet? How come the cuddy doesn't deflect the water? - The only similar boat I've been in in rough weather was my own Explorer Elite and even water that was coming over the bow and up over the cuddy roof would be deflected away from the occupants by the lip at the rear of the cuddy roof - it would take a strong cross wind combined with a lot of spray being thrown up to dowse the occupants.

But I guess you're not talking RIB type 'wet'?

 

Andy, as you already know I own a 175 and any one who tells you they are a dry boat has probably never been out side the lock gates of any marina.
If its shelter your looking for then the raider is a much better boat, if you want a boat that will smash through any thing and get you home then the 175 would be for you (but you'd be very wet at the end of it).
Theirs more room on a raider than on a 175 to fish from and most of this is stand up space.
I've just got back from the Rosslare small boats comp and I fished with boys that had a raider, we fished together all day and both clocked up 50 miles in one day, at the end of the day we both had the same fuel bill as each other which was a surprise I thought the raider would be cheaper on fuel so that Mith was blown out of the water.
Any warrior 175 owner that comes on here and tells you their boat is dry boat with the extension cover down is a bull s-----r but on the same hand I don't think you'll find any 175 owners who would ever swap to a raider EVER.
I think only you can make the choice mate no matter what we say on here.

Hi Col I agree with most of your statements above :thumbs:
Out of interest what engine did the Raider have & what sort of load on it as as you know you have a very economical engine in the Honda on your Warrior :thumbs:

headlight

 

I have a 175, my mate had both the Raider fisherman and the Cuddy version. All three are superb boats and I would have no problem owning or fishing from any of them. Each have their own merits. As already said the fisherman will give you the protection from the weather but reduces the fishing space. It will also and does drift like a cow because of this so if you are drift fishing for cod etc then you will have to take this into consideration. The raider Cuddy is by far the best for space and when fishing on it you feel like you could have a game of 5 asides on it. The high gunnels are believe it or not a disadvantage. You can't touch the water, pee over the side and struggle to lift skate and tope over the side never mind trying to get them back over. Again depends on the fishing you are doing this could be a problem not an advantage. The warrior is well built and will handle any sea as will the raider. The warrior is a self draining deck with the raider you may need to bail it from time to time. The warrior has a bigger cabin than the raider cuddy and with a half canopy fitted you have the best of both worlds. Both handle very well and I would go as far to say that the raider handles slightly better.

As Brian has already said try and get a shot of all of them. I honestly believe you will not be disappointed with any of them as they are all great boats.

 

Is a 175 really that wet? How come the cuddy doesn't deflect the water? - The only similar boat I've been in in rough weather was my own Explorer Elite and even water that was coming over the bow and up over the cuddy roof would be deflected away from the occupants by the lip at the rear of the cuddy roof - it would take a strong cross wind combined with a lot of spray being thrown up to dowse the occupants.

But I guess you're not talking RIB type 'wet'?

To do with the size of the chimes. The 175 deflects the water away but tends to throw it up allowing it to fall back into the cabin. Another reason is probably that it can handle big seas and most owners just punch through the waves.

 

Hi Ian, yeh they had a new merc 4stroke 100 but the raider is a lot lighter than the 175 so I was a little surprised at the similar fuel costs

 

Hi Ian, yeh they had a new merc 4stroke 100 but the raider is a lot lighter than the 175 so I was a little surprised at the similar fuel costs

If the Merc was sat on the transom & hadn"t been lifted up that could explain the consumption also I don"t think the Merc is quite as economical as the 115 Honda (not much in it though).
Baz"s 115 Merc which is the same as the 100 was terrible until it had been lifted 1.5".

headlight

 

Andy, as you already know I own a 175 and any one who tells you they are a dry boat has probably never been out side the lock gates of any marina.
If its shelter your looking for then the raider is a much better boat, if you want a boat that will smash through any thing and get you home then the 175 would be for you (but you'd be very wet at the end of it).
Theirs more room on a raider than on a 175 to fish from and most of this is stand up space.
I've just got back from the Rosslare small boats comp and I fished with boys that had a raider, we fished together all day and both clocked up 50 miles in one day, at the end of the day we both had the same fuel bill as each other which was a surprise I thought the raider would be cheaper on fuel so that Mith was blown out of the water.
Any warrior 175 owner that comes on here and tells you their boat is dry boat with the extension cover down is a bull s-----r but on the same hand I don't think you'll find any 175 owners who would ever swap to a raider EVER.
I think only you can make the choice mate no matter what we say on here.

Hi Col, thanks for that, as you know i had a raider 18 wheelhouse for 3 years but having sold it earlier this year now miss it, I think I might take the happy medium which is the raider 18 fisherman which gives cover from the elements but has room up fwd. I found the fwd cabin on the wheelhouse version awkward to fit into, especially when you have loads of gear in there and you try to get the hatch open.

The fisherman should give the protection needed from the good old british weather and space fwd. The fwd cabin was good when the boat was on moorings and you could lock gear out of sight.

I shall see what becomes available, meanwhile, when are you coming down for a trip again we are getting swamped with cod we need you and your crowd to come and help us out.

Speak soon mate,

Andy.

 

Hi Col, thanks for that, as you know i had a raider 18 wheelhouse for 3 years but having sold it earlier this year now miss it, I think I might take the happy medium which is the raider 18 fisherman which gives cover from the elements but has room up fwd. I found the fwd cabin on the wheelhouse version awkward to fit into, especially when you have loads of gear in there and you try to get the hatch open.

The fisherman should give the protection needed from the good old british weather and space fwd. The fwd cabin was good when the boat was on moorings and you could lock gear out of sight.

I shall see what becomes available, meanwhile, when are you coming down for a trip again we are getting swamped with cod we need you and your crowd to come and help us out.

Speak soon mate,

Andy.

Thought that you had had a Wheelhouse before Ricoh :g:
As you will be trailering then a Fisherman may be the answer :thumbs:
The protection from the elements will be exactly the same as your Wheelhouse offered & as others have said is much more than afforded by a Warrior.
Good luck with your search.
BTW I think you will get a Raider package cheaper than a Warrior.

headlight

 

To do with the size of the chimes. The 175 deflects the water away but tends to throw it up allowing it to fall back into the cabin. Another reason is probably that it can handle big seas and most owners just punch through the waves.

Ah - it's the normal side spray that comes aboard then?

Surprised after all those years of production that Warrior haven't sorted it.

 

Ah - it's the normal side spray that comes aboard then?

Surprised after all those years of production that Warrior haven't sorted it.

Hi yes you get a certain amount of side spray but the 175s seem to bury there noses in and you get the green water up the window and straight down your back its one way to clean your deck of your boat at low speeds but by driving them on your more prone to loosing your back teeth and shaking every screw and fitting loose on them i had a 175 for over a year and sold because of the water over the top and back in on top of the crew . I also had raider 18 cuddy never got water over the top a bit lighter than the warrior more deck space high sides for kids you need a bucket to **** in and a decent landing net for your catch all in all decent boat it had a 90 honda easy run
THE PIC ON TOP SHOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

 

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Hi yes you get a certain amount of side spray but the 175s seem to bury there noses in and you get the green water up the window and straight down your back its one way to clean your deck of your boat at low speeds but by driving them on your more prone to loosing your back teeth and shaking every screw and fitting loose on them i had a 175 for over a year and sold because of the water over the top and back in on top of the crew . I also had raider 18 cuddy never got water over the top a bit lighter than the warrior more deck space high sides for kids you need a bucket to **** in and a decent landing net for your catch all in all decent boat it had a 90 honda easy run
THE PIC ON TOP SHOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

totally agree !:yucky::yucky:

 

Which is which?

Never been on either apart from when they're stationery, but I've heard owners of both say they're very dry boats.

I think BrianR's suggestion is the only answer though, although this would put me off a newer Raider: http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/album.php?albumid=4719 - compared to the photos on Warrior's website of what's under their decks, there's no comparison.

Those are pictures of my boat, and it is indeed scary, that someone went offshore in wintertime with this boat. However I been working on it, and the fiberwork is just about finish.

Those are ribs mase out of aires collision resistent foam, with bi-directional glass on the sides.

The yellow part you see in the hull is the same pvc foam.
I hope The raider is good as its reputation, as I never actually sailed one..... This one wont fall apart for sure:clap2:
Get One of the old style raiders, or buy a wrecked one, and build it yourself.
Bjørn

 

This is wat the floor looks like now that its been raised 3 inches, to make room for the inboard tank, and to make it self draining.

Sorry for hijacking but it is sort of related....
Bjørn

 

wow u did well on your boat!!

 

This is wat the floor looks like now that its been raised 3 inches, to make room for the inboard tank, and to make it self draining. View attachment 148171 View attachment 148172
Sorry for hijacking but it is sort of related....
Bjørn

No problem Bjorn, project is looking good and is related.

Andy

 

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Hi yes you get a certain amount of side spray but the 175s seem to bury there noses in and you get the green water up the window and straight down your back its one way to clean your deck of your boat at low speeds but by driving them on your more prone to loosing your back teeth and shaking every screw and fitting loose on them i had a 175 for over a year and sold because of the water over the top and back in on top of the crew . I also had raider 18 cuddy never got water over the top a bit lighter than the warrior more deck space high sides for kids you need a bucket to **** in and a decent landing net for your catch all in all decent boat it had a 90 honda easy run
THE PIC ON TOP SHOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

you need to learn how to use the tilt and trim

plenty of boats but not many boatmen :bleh: pout