Went out for a few chucks after work with bangers more messing about than realy casting. so i thought i try ading the step to my cast. Its simlpe push the led away bring the led back lock both arms out slow turn step around when left foot hits the ground bang it. Well It didnt go anthing like that:nonono:Any way question is are thair any top casters who DONT step and are massive distances still possible not stepping?????
Sadler
Stepping
Yea easy for someone in your calibre to say that,tried doing your step lmao and went arse over tip.
hello andy lad not heard from you in ages,hope ya well,all bein i,ll c ya down huntingdon take care, jay
can i call falling over a step,if so i step quite often when i cast, i'll show you how at dorch martin.
Ok answer i was looking for is.... Yes you gotta step thats why you havent hit the 240:laugh: No realy tho it just seems every top caster i watch steps im not counting danny coz hes just wrong:crazy:full undastand what yhour saying tho andy il try not stepping.And using my hips more get the body weight on shifting may do a video aswell nxt week cheers gents:victory:
When i first met Terry Carroll (about a hundred years ago :laugh: ) He advised me to "start off with all possible power from the hips" OK, that was for the SA but it works with all other casts.
Did it for me, push off from the hips, guide the rod thro and around, turn under and punch, but don't let the lead swing up over the top on the inswing or it becomes impossible to get the down and up movement. Most guys have seen on the beach these past 4 weeks just seem to whirl the rod around high up in the air, without any real power into bending the rod. Hope that helps.
Den
Did it for me, push off from the hips, guide the rod thro and around, turn under and punch, but don't let the lead swing up over the top on the inswing or it becomes impossible to get the down and up movement. Most guys have seen on the beach these past 4 weeks just seem to whirl the rod around high up in the air, without any real power into bending the rod. Hope that helps.
Den
Most casters I know have a "fishing" cast (without a step), and an exaggerated tournament style (usually with a step).
Stable footwork is usually needed on fishing marks, unless you're on sand or shingle.
The foot position for maximum hitting power usually doesn't allow for full body rotation, so grass based big swingers can take advantage of the firmer footing by finding the foot position that sets up the cast nicely without that feeling of over reaching.
Find the stance for the swing, and then find your footing for the final pull/punch.
Then step from one to the other as the cast builds up.
But it's never that easy as not everyone takes to it naturally.
The step must be completed before the final grunt, so the full benefits of the weight transfer can be projected through the rod.
Taking a step can trash your well practised timing, but others find the benefits quickly.
There's only one way to find out if it works for you though!:laugh:
Danny rarely takes much of a step, as his style is about placing the lead in an aerialised off the ground position.
With little preload, the lead is sent on it's way via the firm tipped, through action fast locking /recovery of his high carbon sticks.
Soft tipped, firm butted designated pendulum rods benefit from the extra preload that the big swing gives, so the tip can be bypassed to get into the meat of the middle, and beef of the butt section.
So much depends on the style of cast, as well as the individual.
Probably
hmy::laugh:
Stable footwork is usually needed on fishing marks, unless you're on sand or shingle.
The foot position for maximum hitting power usually doesn't allow for full body rotation, so grass based big swingers can take advantage of the firmer footing by finding the foot position that sets up the cast nicely without that feeling of over reaching.
Find the stance for the swing, and then find your footing for the final pull/punch.
Then step from one to the other as the cast builds up.
But it's never that easy as not everyone takes to it naturally.
The step must be completed before the final grunt, so the full benefits of the weight transfer can be projected through the rod.
Taking a step can trash your well practised timing, but others find the benefits quickly.
There's only one way to find out if it works for you though!:laugh:
Danny rarely takes much of a step, as his style is about placing the lead in an aerialised off the ground position.
With little preload, the lead is sent on it's way via the firm tipped, through action fast locking /recovery of his high carbon sticks.
Soft tipped, firm butted designated pendulum rods benefit from the extra preload that the big swing gives, so the tip can be bypassed to get into the meat of the middle, and beef of the butt section.
So much depends on the style of cast, as well as the individual.
Probably
hmy::laugh:
Basically you need to use your step to 'wind up' your torso, not 'instead' of winding up your torso
You need to try and get your foot round and planted and leave the rod behind and only when your foot is round and planted do you uncoil your torso
You of trying to get more power in, not make it easier
You need to try and get your foot round and planted and leave the rod behind and only when your foot is round and planted do you uncoil your torso
You of trying to get more power in, not make it easier
Great Thread.
From my personal experience I dislocated my left Knee playing football so I have an mental block about keeping that left foot planted. This is why I bend my knee's at the start of my cast. I found once I started stepping it was a lot easier and more comfortable to cast effectively.
With me keeping the foot planted and not taking a step i used more of stomach muscles than anything else as i un-wind. i am also very wary of twisting this section of my body with a previous history of broken ribs.
were my more powerful muscles are my shoulders, back, traps, chest and legs. Through a step i achieve a bigger momentum using my more powerful muscle groups.
what ever works for your own form and build.
From my personal experience I dislocated my left Knee playing football so I have an mental block about keeping that left foot planted. This is why I bend my knee's at the start of my cast. I found once I started stepping it was a lot easier and more comfortable to cast effectively.
With me keeping the foot planted and not taking a step i used more of stomach muscles than anything else as i un-wind. i am also very wary of twisting this section of my body with a previous history of broken ribs.
were my more powerful muscles are my shoulders, back, traps, chest and legs. Through a step i achieve a bigger momentum using my more powerful muscle groups.
what ever works for your own form and build.
great thread! Want to bring a step into my cast for a while now, to help ease aching muscles. But most of the marks I fish a step wouldn't be sensible. I guessed it'd take pressure off my body trying to build up the rod by simply smoothing out the rotation and using all my weight not just my top half to load the rod. But it does sound like it's easier for some than others to perfect. For me though, having spent 25 years thrashing myself on building sites, anything to get more power for less pain must be a good thing. And I seem to be choosing the comfier marks more often than I did 20 years ago, so it's something I'll be trying out this spring
Good advice thair cheers gents i do mostly fish the slippy grounds on the bc so i only pedulum cast when i got nice little dropoff behind me so thairs zero chance of decking it. My attempt at the step nearly knocked me on my ass i got shoved bk away from the rod:blink:dnt think my left foot was planted before i applied the power think il stick to not stepping and more on correct form for now.
Here's a good video to help show how to and important using the hips can be Martin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDQO6CUgHU
Whether to step or not, use your hips correctly to transfer your weight during the cast, then think how much effort/power this saves your upper-body to then use during the finish of the cast. :showoff:
Despite the below casters having very different styles, all use the same foundations to achieve the big distances they hit - feet planted, shift their weight forward using their hips, whilst leaving the rod behind. Once that has been done, do they start to use the upper body to apply power into finishing the cast.
To use the correct sequence and speed of the above will take plenty of practise but you will get there.
Big step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paLKnTO2r6A
Smaller step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IElSo3NCH6Q
No step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZPUsaegaQ
Hope this helps :victory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoDQO6CUgHU
Whether to step or not, use your hips correctly to transfer your weight during the cast, then think how much effort/power this saves your upper-body to then use during the finish of the cast. :showoff:
Despite the below casters having very different styles, all use the same foundations to achieve the big distances they hit - feet planted, shift their weight forward using their hips, whilst leaving the rod behind. Once that has been done, do they start to use the upper body to apply power into finishing the cast.
To use the correct sequence and speed of the above will take plenty of practise but you will get there.
Big step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paLKnTO2r6A
Smaller step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IElSo3NCH6Q
No step,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ZPUsaegaQ
Hope this helps :victory:
cheers matt thanx for posting that up big help il put that to practice ova the nxt few weeks:thumbs:
think this spep or stepping buisness comes into play onces a good statuary pendulum cast is done good.
aussie three step shuffle etc certainly puts a few extra yards if you dont fall over like me i have no timing or any coordination.
fishing this morn and casting off a solid surface i found my fishing cast equaly as good as putting a step in so this says to me i should practise more with statuary
feet position and only move on when fully happy wth what i am doing.
what you reckon sensible ???.
aussie three step shuffle etc certainly puts a few extra yards if you dont fall over like me i have no timing or any coordination.
fishing this morn and casting off a solid surface i found my fishing cast equaly as good as putting a step in so this says to me i should practise more with statuary
feet position and only move on when fully happy wth what i am doing.
what you reckon sensible ???.
i agree john, i think once ya confident with a simple pendolum, i found putting a step into the cast gave me alot more whip at the end ,
In my opinion All the top casters step (including danny and steve), this is his vid from italy last year
dannys step
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=KMy2-EgS3j0&feature=fvwp
steves step
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HLNA6OpAEo&feature=related
the reason is simple, to cast as far as you are possible to do so, you have to wind your body up as much as possible.now stand up and twist as far as you can and hold it for maybe 10secs ( the time to prepare and start to execute your cast), you will find this gets quite uncomfartable. now instead, stand ready to cast with you right foot planted and twist until comfy( you should find that your left does not go round enough to complete the cast fully), and you will need to put a step in to complete the cast. the step lets you twist your body as much as you possibly can(like in the first instance doing it before you start to cast) for the shortest period necessary, so therefore is the most comfartable way to cast.
dannys step
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=KMy2-EgS3j0&feature=fvwp
steves step
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HLNA6OpAEo&feature=related
the reason is simple, to cast as far as you are possible to do so, you have to wind your body up as much as possible.now stand up and twist as far as you can and hold it for maybe 10secs ( the time to prepare and start to execute your cast), you will find this gets quite uncomfartable. now instead, stand ready to cast with you right foot planted and twist until comfy( you should find that your left does not go round enough to complete the cast fully), and you will need to put a step in to complete the cast. the step lets you twist your body as much as you possibly can(like in the first instance doing it before you start to cast) for the shortest period necessary, so therefore is the most comfartable way to cast.
Brillant bloody brillant,i just tried that now in the livingroom (standing ready to cast but with right foot twisted inwords) and it does make you want to addd the step,as once you come around if you dont take the step you are off balance,and the step helps to balance your self,and i get the wider you step the more your going to shift your body weight onto the left leg.
thanks for the info....
Check out Longshanks stance,notice how he twists his right foot in, unleash the beast !!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw0o1FD4FWI
Indeed great thread.. 100% correct Alan, everybody steps and the reason is just like you explained.
In other topics long ago a really big guy stated that fibercrunch and stepping is killing your distance.. Not.. what about Jay Lee???
He steps a million time and his rod is twisted in 3 different axes.. but he's in front with 20 meters on each lead.. as long as we don't start giving points to styles I really don't care what I'll have to do to cast further then others.. "It's not a school for ballerina"s" I heard some days..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxv6kFZYFLg
In other topics long ago a really big guy stated that fibercrunch and stepping is killing your distance.. Not.. what about Jay Lee???
He steps a million time and his rod is twisted in 3 different axes.. but he's in front with 20 meters on each lead.. as long as we don't start giving points to styles I really don't care what I'll have to do to cast further then others.. "It's not a school for ballerina"s" I heard some days..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxv6kFZYFLg
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