Doesnt look good. Would be a big loss if it were to close permanently. I bet the recent bad weather is adding another nail in the coffin.

 

if it was to be taken down, would there not be more room along the wall to fish at high water?

 

Yes but its very snaggy there,,,, i think they should make concrete legs...


Im not giving up hope yet, still waiting for a few replies from other sources yet,, im willing to put £20.000 of my own savings,,,

 

Yes but its very snaggy there,,,, i think they should make concrete legs...


Im not giving up hope yet, still waiting for a few replies from other sources yet,, im willing to put £20.000 of my own savings,,,

is that 20 or 20,000 liz? if it's the latter them we could be on to something. Im sure with that much we could raise at least 100,000 given proper organizing and SPONSORSHIP from BIG tackle dealers and manufacturers, after all its their stuff that will be spent there.

 

Did anyone point out to the council about the deeds that were signed when it was purchased from the crown? the fact that it should be maintained???

 

shame,i never got round to having a session there:bye2::bye2:

 

its a shame if it goes and it really looks like it definately going to

but..... its only 20yds long so we will all have to learn to cast that little bit further to be fishing in exactly the same areas.

 

Quite interesting that they are comissioning a "final report". Doesn't that suggest that they've made the decision, and will now have a report written, to confirm they are correct?

 

i fished here once about 4years ago, i didnt catch much but it is definately a place id like to go back to, but after reading this it doesnt look like il get that chance.
I just get the impression that the council cant b bothered with it, thats more or less what there saying

 

There is something very wrong with Gwynedd council. They own a pier and let it fall down, now if that pier was in private ownership it woud be the council spending to force the owner repair it. Originally the figure to repair was quoted as £200,000, that has now trebbled to £600,000 and is apparently an old quote, that requires yet another report that will be wrong as it is for marine work which always works out more expnsive. So why bother with yet another useless report?

They decide to regulate boat launching and introduce a registration scheme. It cost the Council £116 ,000 after the fees were taken into account in 2005, last figures I saw for it. Nobody wants it, and the local businesses are loosing out.

Finally we have the marina expansion plans. http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1059291#post1059291
The Marina is Council owned, they spent a couple of million 3 years ago looking at developing it and adding a further 300 berths. They rejected it on the grounds that other than Welsh speaking people would moove into the area and the Welsh language would be diluted 0.14% in the area. Then they decided after spending another potload on consultations that they could do an extra 150 seasonal berths, but that seems to be on hold. Now this "locally owned" company comes along and can develop it including marina side properties for £80K, they can dredge out all the mud of the inner basin which according to their own report would cause an ecological nightmare (one of the reasons it has never been dredged so far).

I smell something and is ain't rotting seaweed!!

 

Very well put, Chris. I would strongly agree with all these points. When a decision has been reached, have a report written to justify it. Easy!

 

its a shame if it goes and it really looks like it definately going to

but..... its only 20yds long so we will all have to learn to cast that little bit further to be fishing in exactly the same areas.

LOL think its a bit longer than 20yrds!!

 

The thing is if trefor pier comes down (and I think it will) the people who will feel it the most are the disabled people who fish there on a regular basis because of the easy access.

 

its a shame if it goes and it really looks like it definately going to

but..... its only 20yds long so we will all have to learn to cast that little bit further to be fishing in exactly the same areas.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: what i was thinking a good caster will reach the area they hang around, but the pier is a little longer than 20 yards. Folk will have to work a little harder to connect with them:wacko:

 

well all i can say folks that local councils and goverments are .............
fished there many a time,had some dam good fishing and chats and it is a nice chilling spot to fish.
will be flicking the old fluff over there in the near coming months,so watch out you officals i'm a dam good shot!

one small note,

i wish more women and blokes had the same amount of passion as little miss mermaid, then these so called people looking after local folk and there interets and the extra income these small piers from people who travel many miles to fish places like yours, take a serious note and decide to look after the community and there interests, instead of shafting them all the time and spending the money on there pensions and pay and pointless schemes which are in no ones interest exept there own.

little miss mermaid:clap3::clap3::clap3::clap3::clap3::clap3::clap3:

 

from the two times ive fished there ,think you,d have to be a good caster to reach the erea the huss are at,. as when the tide goes out,the place is laced with big cobbles and rocks. and you,d be lucky to get your tackle back . its a real shame of a read as this place is a great place for big fish ,. and other species,. no matter what the outcome of trefor pier, it will be a big loss to this erea and the people who visit. two trips and many pics and memories i,ll remember for along time.,fantasic venue. real shame its coming to an end.. tojo

 

oh hell, it would appear the council have already made up their mind. I was thinking about how the pier would fare in these recent storms, when the forecast was for high seas, I suspected it may be damaged beyond repair, mainly because the council have been negligent in their duty to keep the pier in a repaired state instead of conducting costly structural reports. If they had got their heads out of their a***s a few years ago this wouldn't be the sorry situation we all find ourselves in. Is there anyone on the forum who is a solicitor? We could do with a bit of advice as to what we can force the council to do, if you are out there, step up to the plate and help out, please. Thanks to mermaid for all your hard work.

 

Still waiting for a reply from,, The piers society....

 

After reading the conveyance submitted on the post, and reading that it is the responsiblity of the owners of the pier to keep it in good order, to which gwynedd definatly have not. I rang crown estates to find out more about its legality and enforcablility.
The laymans answer i got of them was simple, its is extremly rare for the crown estate to go against a councils wishes. As long as the councill have performed all the right actions as in holding public meeting etc etc if they then ask the crown estates permission to demolish the pier the crown estates will not stand in their way.

So unless external sponsorship is found then goodbye mr pier.

I think chrisp got it exactly right how can they support a loss making scheme like the boat permits, refrain from expanding pwhelli harbour on the grounds of diluting the welsh language and them allow a private company to do the expansion.

If the pier is going to cost 600k to repair and this only gives it 20 years of life, which is about right as its 20 years since it was last updated. Then the pier would cost 30k a year. So how does the council get their money back, let me think, does the car park charge for parking, this would attract income from the boat owners, dog walkers, anglers, divers, doggers etc etc. Then theres the pier, put gates up turnstile etc etc and charge to get on it, other pier's do and they get good buisness. This might not make the full amount of £30k but what about the bigger picture of anglers and divers travelling from all over the UK to fish or dive the pier. Which will include putting buisness to petrol stations, suppermarkets, campsites, hotels, restaurants , cafe, fishing, tackle shops.
If the pier was to get 100 anglers per week this in itself at £2 a throw would gain £10400 a year. The pier could do that in a weekend in the summer not to mention the parking. The council then gets to keep its heritage of a pier which was used to transport wales's treasures. I thought council's liked heritage thought it was good for the economy.

Or is it us that misses the picture, gwynned bought the pier and surrounding land fron the crown estates in 1984. With a small modification would'nt the area make a lovely marina. Theirs enough flat land behind the car park for develpment hmmmmm........

Its more fishy than a kippers f**ny

Frostman

 

think it has to go legal to get sorted out as it clear they are not going to do there legal bits that they should do you are right karen

 

"If the pier was to get 100 anglers per week" ..... Unlikely except on an odd occasion, I should have thought. The big question, is the Council's repair estimate of the cost, or is it just a figure to suit their purpose?
"With a small modification would'nt the area make a lovely marina. Theirs enough flat land behind the car park for develpment hmmmmm"
A very good point indeed! What response would you get from the Council, were you to ask? Complete denial, I'm sure. That doesn't mean there wouldn't be a private company starting the job before long. Wasn't there a planning application a few years back to "improve" the harbour area, and construct a seperate access road? I'm sure something along those lines was refused.

 

There was an application to create a marina there and one of the major problems was the pier. It was refused anyway.

Now pier falls down or has to be demolished and you can bet as much as you like the planning application will be resurected with the condition that the developers demolish the pier.

Councillors then give themselves a big pat on the back and have a few jollies to view other marinas in sunnier climes in order to prepare their report on the application.

Further you can bet your pension that fishing will not be allowed off the marina breakwaters.

 

I think the application was from the owner of one of the houses on the main road (the one which used to sell bait, I think). I believe he may have left there, possibly due to "pressure" from some local residents.

 

Yep, Ray Stacey, Marlin Baits. Must be 10 years ago and last time I passed the house is still empty.

 

it might be worth somebody more local writing to the council freedom of information officer and ask for a copy of the contract between the crown estates and the council they have to give you a copy you could then copy it onto here there is some very clever people on here it might give some ideas as to a posible way forward