[Beachchucker]

I stopped buying fishing mags, sea + trout + game fishing when they started repeating the same thing each year.

 

[Guest]

There was no buy out of Sea Fishing Magazine, it was closed by the publisher Blaze and the subscription liability was offered to Bauer. It is a mechanism done frequently when a magazine closes and there is no direct magazine owned by the same publisher to convert the sub to. This liability is often passed on for no fee, it avoids a publisher having to issue a refund for every subscription.

I wasn't connected with the magazine, I just spoke to someone who was and their account differs from yours. If you were the company acquiring it, it certainly puts you in a better light saying it was closed as opposed to you buying it, to close it. Also, it's worth noting that someone presently working for Sea Angler on here (WSF) has seen this raised before, commented and not denied that Sea Angler bought to close it.

 

[john mitchell]

So what happens to the readers that have taken a 12 month subscription out.....?

I agree with you I had just taken out a 12 month subscription, and only had one mag , I don’t want an alternative I want a refund for failing to supply me with the goods I ordered , I might go to PayPal and get them to get my money back

 

[Nick Phillips]

I wasn't connected with the magazine, I just spoke to someone who was and their account differs from yours. If you were the company acquiring it, it certainly puts you in a better light saying it was closed as opposed to you buying it, to close it. Also, it's worth noting that someone presently working for Sea Angler on here (WSF) has seen this raised before, commented and not denied that Sea Angler bought to close it.

PM sent Chris


Nick

 

[Mike Thrussell Jr]

I wasn't connected with the magazine, I just spoke to someone who was and their account differs from yours. If you were the company acquiring it, it certainly puts you in a better light saying it was closed as opposed to you buying it, to close it. Also, it's worth noting that someone presently working for Sea Angler on here (WSF) has seen this raised before, commented and not denied that Sea Angler bought to close it.

With the greatest respect, I worked on both Total Sea Fishing and Sea Fishing Magazine doing photography. My father worked on both and was with Sea Fishing Magazine until the day it closed. The account that was out there is incorrect due to a misunderstanding. Sea Fishing Magazine was given a year by the publisher to turn a profit, it didn't do that and, true to the publisher's word, it was closed.

Also, I don't work for Bauer Media, I just happen to be in the industry and have been for nearly 20 years.

With regard to TSF, My Time Media, who bought out David Hall are not going to be dictated to by Bauer. The fact My Time Media is not interested in selling the rights to either TSF or Total Fly Fisher is more than likely down to the fact it still has three angling titles and doesn't want to sell anything that could give a rival an edge.

 

[Guest]

With the greatest respect, I worked on both Total Sea Fishing and Sea Fishing Magazine doing photography. My father worked on both and was with Sea Fishing Magazine until the day it closed. The account that was out there is incorrect due to a misunderstanding. Sea Fishing Magazine was given a year by the publisher to turn a profit, it didn't do that and, true to the publisher's word, it was closed.

Also, I don't work for Bauer Media, I just happen to be in the industry and have been for nearly 20 years.

With regard to TSF, My Time Media, who bought out David Hall are not going to be dictated to by Bauer. The fact My Time Media is not interested in selling the rights to either TSF or Total Fly Fisher is more than likely down to the fact it still has three angling titles and doesn't want to sell anything that could give a rival an edge.

I will take your word on it Mike, it just came from someone else who I don't disbelieve as they are also respected in the sea angling community. I also have spent a long time working with a huge company that was prepared for sale and bought, I am very familiar with non-disclosure agreements that can endure for very long periods, as I signed one, often there is a lot of conjecture, grey areas and some things do stay behind closed doors.
In regard to TSF and the reluctance to sell in its entirety or components of it, who is to say whether one of the biggest publishers in Europe has the clout to dictate or purchase? My Time Media (Hoop Holdings) could quite easily make a decision on business grounds, money and business isn't personal Mike. We have made inquiries and had explanations from the horse's mouth, not the grapevine.

 

[Mike Thrussell Jr]

I will take your word on it Mike, it just came from someone else who I don't disbelieve as they are also respected in the sea angling community. I also have spent a long time working with a huge company that was prepared for sale and bought, I am very familiar with non-disclosure agreements that can endure for very long periods, as I signed one, often there is a lot of conjecture, grey areas and some things do stay behind closed doors.
In regard to TSF and the reluctance to sell in its entirety or components of it, who is to say whether one of the biggest publishers in Europe has the clout to dictate or purchase? My Time Media (Hoop Holdings) could quite easily make a decision on business grounds, money and business isn't personal Mike. We have made inquiries and had explanations from the horse's mouth, not the grapevine.

Me too, when I sold WSF.

I don't disbelieve what you were told. I'm still in touch with the guys at SFM and I know some still believe it, even though I've explained Sub Liability a zillion times

 

[Guest]

Me too, when I sold WSF.

Out of interest, where would you say you failed with SFM chiefly? Certainly, its readers on here held it in high regard when measured against TSF and Sea Angler.

 

[flipper]

SFM failed because it was a really poor magazine, just as TSF was dire under Barney Wright. It was the same articles rehashed, by the same writers.

 

[Mike Thrussell Jr]

Out of interest, where would you say you failed with SFM chiefly? Certainly, its readers on here held it in high regard when measured against TSF and Sea Angler.

Well, I took photographs so wouldn’t say I failed.

As to the magazine, nobody failed. It’s a product of the current climate in magazines. Fishing is a tiny industry and it’s moving away from magazine adverts. They’ll invest in the mag with the highest readership and there is little left after that.

 

[Guest]

Well, I took photographs so wouldn’t say I failed.

As to the magazine, nobody failed. It’s a product of the current climate in magazines. Fishing is a tiny industry and it’s moving away from magazine adverts. They’ll invest in the mag with the highest readership and there is little left after that.

Sorry Mike, I misunderstood, perhaps understandably. I presumed the way you were talking about the intimate details of SFM being closed, financials, non-disclosures and explaining about sub liabilities to others involved etc, that you were more than just the photographer, it seems some of the above things discussed were above that level of responsibility.
I beg to differ on the nobody failed to comment, there is always someone responsible even if its the guy at the start who had the wrong vision, business plan or perhaps bad maths.

 

[Mike Thrussell Jr]

Sorry Mike, I misunderstood, perhaps understandably. I presumed the way you were talking about the intimate details of SFM being closed, financials, non-disclosures and explaining about sub liabilities to others involved etc, that you were more than just the photographer, it seems some of the above things discussed were above that level of responsibility.
I beg to differ on the nobody failed to comment, there is always someone responsible even if its the guy at the start who had the wrong vision, business plan or perhaps bad maths.

The guy responsible for starting Sea Fishing Magazine sold his publishing company to Future Publishing, he was a very successful guy who started his publishing business from the table of his kitchen and went on to own several magazine brands in music, motorbikes, shooting and style trades. To his credit, he gave the mag as long as he said he would and put in a lot of resources to try and achieve that goal. The team from the editor to the contributors to even the advertising sales were all poached from TSF, which at the time, was pretty successful.

I understand all about the business terminology used. I’ve taken a company from nothing and sold it cross border to a large media conglomerate.

My information on SFM is accurate.

Anyway, I have real work to do and I swore I wouldn’t contribute to forums again after I sold this place. I guess a two year break was good, now on to the next two year break

If you do buy TSF, or indeed, start your own magazine. Good luck, and please get in touch, if the product is good enough, we may even advertise.

 

[Norm B]

Well, I took photographs so wouldn’t say I failed.

As to the magazine, nobody failed. It’s a product of the current climate in magazines. Fishing is a tiny industry and it’s moving away from magazine adverts. They’ll invest in the mag with the highest readership and there is little left after that.

Now TSF has gone there is really only SA to compete with and as it is run by number crunchers any sort of competition that took advertising away from them could cause them to fold or sell it on, go for it.

 

[carpfather1]

I've always tried to do that, to take people into the story and make them feel like they are part of it. I think the days are gone where a photo of a fish and a rig and some mundane technical detail constitutes what people want to read, all of that is free on google hundreds of times over. I have tried to be original and it probably helps that I am not a reader myself, so, I don't read anyone elses articles or try to pinch inspiration. It was a shame as I think the best article of the three submitted about Herm was the one they didn't print, it was about luring for bass on the island but, I do understand two other contributors wrote bass articles and it would be a mick take if they printed three of mine on one issue.

We have had some long-term plans for Black Tide that are gradually coming together, all this has done is provide an incentive for us to move faster and bring those things to fruition. I feel like they will have a huge impact on sea angling in the UK and change the industry for the better. It won't be just writing and photography either, and the emphasis will be on quality, not quantity. In regard to products, we wouldn't use anything that wouldn't be our first choice as anglers to use, that's an honest way to be and leaves us with a clear conscience, so, you won't catch us telling you a jacket is the best thing since sliced bread, that will leak water like a sieve or fall apart in 6 months. We are working with a number of brands that we believe in, if they fall short, we'll walk away. We have politely turned down two big names that would have the eyes of many spinning, principles and integrity are more important than a quick buck.

It really is an exciting time which we're looking forward to.

Cheers

Chris

The futures bright .....keep up the good work

 

[Bigyellow]

BASS did a survey of its members to find out if they still wanted a printed Society magazine - the resounding answer was "yes we do!" Although some members prefer reading the e-version, the majority prefer a hard copy that they can savour at their leisure, dipping in an out, coming back to re-read interesting bits.

In light of that the BASS magazine team redoubled its efforts to produce a quality, colour magazine four times a year - a good mix of articles, Society updates, well-written catch reports. 28 pages that members really look forward to reading.

And the best bit is that it is free to members!

 

[BASSCHASINBOY]

BASS did a survey of its members to find out if they still wanted a printed Society magazine - the resounding answer was "yes we do!" Although some members prefer reading the e-version, the majority prefer a hard copy that they can savour at their leisure, dipping in an out, coming back to re-read interesting bits.

In light of that the BASS magazine team redoubled its efforts to produce a quality, colour magazine four times a year - a good mix of articles, Society updates, well-written catch reports. 28 pages that members really look forward to reading.

And the best bit is that it is free to members!

as an avid BASS member can we please have binders for their great mags , i have tried to find some kind soul who will loan me no 1 to 93 as prefer to collect full sets of my mags . if you can help plese contact me
thanks steve

 

[Bigyellow]

as an avid BASS member can we please have binders for their great mags , i have tried to find some kind soul who will loan me no 1 to 93 as prefer to collect full sets of my mags . if you can help plese contact me
thanks steve

OK Steve, I will pass that request on to the BASS magazine team. Every back issue is available as a pdf on the "members only" section of the website. It's worth asking on the Forum if members are having a clear out - some become available every now and again.

 

[Norm B]

With the greatest respect, I worked on both Total Sea Fishing and Sea Fishing Magazine doing photography. My father worked on both and was with Sea Fishing Magazine until the day it closed. The account that was out there is incorrect due to a misunderstanding. Sea Fishing Magazine was given a year by the publisher to turn a profit, it didn't do that and, true to the publisher's word, it was closed.

Also, I don't work for Bauer Media, I just happen to be in the industry and have been for nearly 20 years.

With regard to TSF, My Time Media, who bought out David Hall are not going to be dictated to by Bauer. The fact My Time Media is not interested in selling the rights to either TSF or Total Fly Fisher is more than likely down to the fact it still has three angling titles and doesn't want to sell anything that could give a rival an edge.

Fair comment.

 

[Norm B]

SFM failed because it was a really poor magazine, just as TSF was dire under Barney Wright. It was the same articles rehashed, by the same writers.

But Sea Angler still uses re-hashed articles and even the same pictures but it's still going.

 

[tdxs]

But Sea Angler still uses re-hashed articles and even the same pictures but it's still going.

Sorry Norm but you are getting a bit repetitive,a bit like Sea Angler,but more frequent.