looks like a seymo 847 sic ?

 

It`s a company called Seaguide .

 

My Grey's gr75s bass has some of these guides fitted.

Assume they are fit for purpose?

 

Thanks both, much appreciated.

Bought a cheap carp rod to use for bass/estuary, with the aim of practicing a rebuild on it but it looks in fine condition so I'll use it as is for now. Will soon see how well the guides stand up to seawater and braid.

 

They are a fairly run of the mill guide, nothing much wrong with them, probably not as good as Fuji as they appear to be mainly on less expensive rods for freshwater. Keep them washed down after use and I can`t see why they wont do for a bit of light salt work. No idea what centre on them but should be OK for braid, most modern centres are.

 

Dated May 4, 2019 :

"A big congratulations to Kris Vancauwenberghe with his new pr's. 256 m with 175 and almost 262 with 150 gr.
Cast with veret gladiatrix 4.35 m strong."

The above casts were made using Seaguide SXQRSG guides.
S Polished 316 stainless
X Like Fuji K
Q Double foot
RS Ring material, Similar to Fuji Torzite
G Guide

The rings are available in several materials. No idea of the guide material or frame style in the above pictures.

Currently the guides are being evaluated in Belgium for distance casting. The rings smoothness is reported as favorable.

Will Nash (top caster in the US) has been provided a set of guides and an additional set to be awarded as a prize in an up coming US tournament.

I am currently building a rod (slightly more powerful than a TTR) for my own use with the Seaguide SXQRSG guides.

 

Looks like their BG model frame, with Gunsmoke finish to the frame, and either Aluminium Oxide or Zirconium Oxide insert - difficult to tell the colour of the insert in the picture - doesn't look BLACK, so probably Aluminium Oxide.

Sea Guide are a big Chinese manufacturer that haven't bothered to disguise their origins, unlike Pac Bay.

Their products are basically copies of Fuji in a lot of respects, with very small changes to get over patent issues. The highest rating of insert currently available is Silicon Nitride - not like Torzite at all. They just tend to be cheaper than Fujis, so used on a lot of rods that are built in China by various manufacturers trying to save cost against the quality of Fujis.

 

Once again, thanks Bronzhaii!

Does look like the BG, or at least whatever equivalent they were making when this rod was built. The liner is black, but not jet black, so I take it that is likely Aluminium Oxide? How well is it likely to stand up to braid use?

 

Haven't a clue!!!! There are so many variations on the exact composition of ceramics, especially Aluminium Oxide - some are awesome but expensive to make others poor, but cheap to make. As this ring is from their cheapest range of guides, not likely to be high spec.

Just use it, and watch for fraying of the braid - if it gives problems - replace it.

Apart from Fuji and occasional use of Kigan, I won't touch other guides, following that ethic for our rods, I have never been let down.

Cheers!

I recall you saying you build a light beach rod using a carp blank, is it a particularly stiff one? I took this to the beach the other day and had loads of fun with it, tiny fish making the tip dive a foot, ended up holding it and waiting for them as they weren't hooking themselves. Worked great with 3oz + worms.

 

We use a local 3lb Carp blank, which is slightly stiffer than a typical English carp blank - more tip action than through action, works lovely for our waters. Folks even use it for spinning lures and plugs in the sea as well - get great distance with it. Inevitably, when you have a super 3oz rod, everybody comes in asking for a 4oz version, so we got the blank builder to upgrade the tip section to carry a 4oz, and that is also popular. Now, in the last 3 weeks we have had people wanting the same rod, but a 2oz version, for casting small spoons in Angola; the blank builder is now scratching his head to detune the tip section carbon content...

We do most of our fishing holding the rods, as our fish bite quickly, and let go quickly - everything in Africa is hungry!!!!

 

"Sea Guide are a big Chinese manufacturer that haven't bothered to disguise their origins, unlike Pac Bay."
Pac Bay in the US has always open to my knowledge about their products country of origin.
US customs laws requires imported items to be labeled with the country of origin. Exceptions are for small items, the box or container must be labeled.

It seems Chinese quality is an issue in this thread. Generally, I have found that Chinese quality is the minimum acceptable to the consumer for what is being paid. For the Consumer, it is the best quality for the minimum amount paid.

The following is posted on a US forum by a representative of the Fuji distributor in December 2013.
It may (or may not) be of interest.

"Fuji guides are largely made in China at this point. The key difference is that original Japanese materials are shipped to China and the production is supervised by on-site Fuji production and design managers using tools and machinery originally designed by Fuji and moved to China. This is a very unique arrangement and one that has reduced production time on certain items. We see no change in Fuji's production quality. and unfortunately, we saw no change in their prices to us. Box info is changing as inventory turns. The changes have occurred over a number of years, it has not been a sudden move."

It seems the move started in 2010.

 

It seems Chinese quality is an issue in this thread. Generally, I have found that Chinese quality is the minimum acceptable to the consumer for what is being paid. For the Consumer, it is the best quality for the minimum amount paid.

Chinese quality is not the issue, but quality promoted to be 'like Fuji', 'similar to Fuji', etc, when basically they are copying Fuji designs and developments, and passing them off as their own. An example from your earlier post "RS Ring material, Similar to Fuji Torzite", when in fact the 'RS' ceramic is nothing more than Zirconium Oxide, which is actually a grade of ceramic 'lower' than SiC, and nothing like Torzite.

This is Chinese business at its best, copy others to save the cost of research and development, and if unsupervised pass off lower quality products as 'high quality'.

I have nothing against Chinese manufacturers when they are supervised by parent company engineers, like Quantum and others; though I'm not sure about the 'Fuji story', I get nearly all my guides and reel seats from Fuji, and they are packaged in boxes marked - 'Made in Japan'. However, if they are made in China, then as you have stated, they are built with genuine Fuji materials, under full Fuji supervision, so unlikely to suffer from a quality point of view.

The adage that: "Chinese quality is the minimum acceptable to the consumer for what is being paid", is perhaps a little invalid; if they do not fully and truly disclose the materials being used. This was the core of a near full blown legal case against PacBay, where products declared and promoted for 'salt water use', were in fact 'not fit for purpose' (guides that rusted when just stored in a coastal region), and only after initial legal representations were made, did PacBay back down and offer full redress. The fact that the following years publication of their catalogue changed those same products to a newly formed 'fresh water' section, with a small print rider, not suitable for extreme salt water environments.

Equally, Sea Guide offer 3 levels of products in their range, the top line are stated as 316 stainless steel, middle range are stated as 304 stainless steel, while the lowest range don't actually define what the guide frames are actually made of - so, "for the Consumer, it is the best quality for the minimum amount paid", becomes a mute point, especially if it is your own hard earned cash that you are parting with for an undeclared lowest quality product, that will in all likelihood fail long before even the basic of Fuji products - where all frames are made of 316 stainless steel, and have been for the last 30+ years; with the exception of their Titanium range.

 

First of all I read your thread about SeaGuide and Fuji. You have lots of opinions and NO facts.

First of all Torzite is Silicon Nitrite material, fact. Second SeaGuide is one of only a couple of factories in the world that can produce the material. FACT. You no nothing about ceramics! We actually make our own ceramics, Fuji does not, they purchase from Kyocera.

Next is the fact that Fuji purchases 304 stainless from the same supplier that we do. Fuji does not use 316, never has. FACT.

Fuji guides are all made in China, FACT.

Perhaps before you start talking about things you have no clue about you should find out.

 

My quantum, world champion surf /conti rod has these sea guides fitted.altho they look more like the colour of a ti guide.
I bought it second had a few years back, when it arrived I was a little dubious about the rings.
I thought well,il use it until they fall apart and replace with fujis,
I've got to say, I've given it some absolute abuse, its been dropped and bashed and never washed down, and they are holding up just great.

Id dismissed them, initially as just a cheap ring (on what was quite an expensive rod back then)
But I'd happily use them again going off the performance of this set.

 

when in fact the 'RS' ceramic is nothing more than Zirconium Oxide, which is actually a grade of ceramic 'lower' than SiC, and nothing like Torzite."

Incorrect

 

"Equally, Sea Guide offer 3 levels of products in their range, the top line are stated as 316 stainless steel, middle range are stated as 304 stainless steel, while the lowest range don't actually define what the guide frames are actually made of"

Incorrect

Zeus is the Premium line - Titanium

Hero is the Hi Grade line - 316L Stainless Steel

Atlas is the Performance line - 304 Stainless Steel

 

Zircon horrible things chip very easy.

Rich