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The Great Cod Crash.....Why Has It Effected Essex The Most?

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#1 ·
More obvious general factors, like over fishing by commercial boats through the second half of the 20th century aside; one of the big puzzles to me had always been, why the drop in Cod seemed to hit my area of Essex more than a lot of other UK marks? :unsure: (spoiler alert........be prepared for a longgggg droning thread here 😄)

Not to say our beaches are devoid of them, people to this day do still land Codling from the beaches and piers around our coast (with some 'bumper years' for them even being reported); but talking to past generations of fisherman and looking at modern catch reports, its pretty clear that compared to the catches of yesteryear, Essex is by no means a realistic venue to choose to fish for them if you want to have a probable chance of landing one.

Here on the Thames for instance, the more decent sized Winter Cod used to be caught as far up as Thurrock (probably even further), in reasonable numbers, with Codling being a solid possibility all year round. In recent decades you'd of been lucky to hear of people landing a single small Codling (the new super-port and tunnel being a factor in even more recent times) but the Winter and Spring Run catches were dwindling well before then.

The more northern parts of Essex seemed to fair up slightly better (though places like Holderness, The Bristol Channel and the western half of the English Channel......and maybe Suffolk would be much much better by miles).


So whats the big deal with Essex? Particularly the South? Well you could say its down to North Sea stocks that have plummeted....clearly a factor.....but looking at the catches they get up north around Yorkshire and in places like Norway, it can't just be down to stocks alone.....you actually still get Cod in some decent number and size in these places (especially Norway)....many of those Cod in theory, should be migrating further South in better number, but they aren't. Maybe the reduced stocks only need to cover so much ground now to 'get their fill' before breeding? (unlike us humans, they might actually know when to stop 😦)

Other factors no doubt include......
  • rising sea temperatures meaning they don't have to travel as far south during winter to find warmer water to feed in before breeding BUT you still get them further south than Essex down at places like Chesil in good number and size in the Winter?
  • climate change also effecting the tidal currents that they rely on (seems plausible, but I haven't found any info on this for Essex or the southern North Sea specifically yet......maybe someone else would have some info on this?)
But I think the biggest overlooked factor is that of acidification. Its a word that's becoming more well known amongst the eco/climate debate and the state of our waters and fish stocks.
When you look at the terrain we have here, Essex (and all of East Anglia) has always been known as one huge low lying area of marshland (we probably have the lowest elevation of most other places in the UK), marshland in itself is naturally acidic......its one huge anaerobic slab of rotting compost. Paired with the fact we have one of the biggest drainage points in the UK being the River Thames and we also have much wetter winters now (caused by the warmer temps), we must get a lot of extra acidity leech out into the estuary and off our marshy coastline in Winter when the Cod would otherwise be around more 🐟🐟.

I know that there many species that are very intolerant of these conditions.....Plaice for one seem to much favour beaches along chalky or rockier coasts that are more alkaline......and though you get fish like Bass, Flounder, Mullet and Eel that seem to tolerate it more, I remember reading that Cod do not like too much acidity (another reason why Norway must be such a Cod mecca, what with all that pristine PH neutral glacial water flowing out to sea). Essex also has some weird current here too, that could potentially 'concentrate the acidity in one place' as well as erode our marshy acid coast into the water......taking a look at the charts you can see what looks like a great tidal swirl off the south east coast.
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One thing that hits home when you look into these things and try to fathom them out.........is that of the knock on effect of how we live............just imagine if each person halved their yearly Cod consumption from the local chippy (and not just the people here but in Europe and all over the world) as an added bonus I bet the prices would go down! 😅. And just imagine if every person halved all the products they bought on average each year in this 'throw away' society of ours.......it would virtually half our greenhouse gas output and half the climate change problem that causes all these issues.

Though its allowed some interesting warmer species to move further north, you have to ask yourself, how long will it be until there's no room left for the cold water species like our Cod? as the warm water creeps further north. I for one would love to see decent numbers of decent sized Cod return to the south east again. We live in hope 👍👍

Links:
Analysis: How UK winters are getting warmer and wetter - Carbon Brief
What Is Ocean Acidification?
Cod | British Sea Fishing
Atlantic cod - Wikipedia
Cod Migration: The Changing Tides of UK Fisheries (ecoweeb.org)
 
#5 ·
Scrub that, the Barents Sea has a pH of 7.7 vs. 8.1 for UK waters so low pH or acidification isnt an issue as pH decreases the further north you head. So to answer the earlier question about pH - I dont think local pH changes are the reason for a lack of fish.

The overall ocean pH has changed from 8.2 pre-industrial times to 8.1 now, unless there is severe extremely localised acidification, pH is not going to play a part around the UK coastline
 
#7 ·
Ahh yes makes sense mate. Good method of testing too (y) obviously as we know Cod are prevalent in that area..........if it has that PH and ours is higher.....that looks like the acidification theory is out of the window 🤔 (in terms of our local Cod anyway).

I was quite shocked to read that the Barents is allegedly very polluted, though I did know the Soviets used it as a nuclear testing ground through the cold war..........so I dont suppose I should be surprised 😯 Barents Sea - Wikipedia
 
#6 ·
I would hazard a guess that the real issue is a lack of food - watch what happens with the ban on commercial sandeel fishing kicks in and numbers build. After all temperature cannot be too much of an issue as we get reef cod here (West Wales, Gulf Stream effect) all year round and the sea temp is typically warmer all year round then most places in UK waters.
 
#8 · (Edited)
It could be bait fish related for sure, will certainly be interesting to see how it effects things, I wasnt even aware of the upcoming ban, Sand Eel are a keystone species in the food chain, so would not be surprising to see a well needed boost for all the species.

I wondered if the Essex situation could have been related to intense localised trawling, being sandwiched between mainland Europe and our coast......but not seen anything conclusive when looking at data maps. This one shows the average number of times per year certain areas are bottom trawled (that obviously doesn't include other methods of trawling). Iv noticed there are some red areas that cut across the mid part half down, makes you wonder if a lot of the migrating cod get intercepted at a certain point where they would otherwise be following a certain tidal stream that would usually lead into the Thames estuary and Essex coast, all guess work, we can only wonder.
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More info Bottom trawl fishing intensity in the North Sea — European Environment Agency (europa.eu)
 
#12 ·
At least we aren't the only county been hit then I suppose 😕. Maybe its a similar story with Devon (and maybe Cornwall also) as ourselves.....maybe you guys had a small localised migratory population that was over pressurised. Quite surprised Devon don't have half decent numbers actually..........taking into account Chesil and the like is not too far. I know the Bristol Channel still has decent numbers so maybe a better chance off the north Devon coast? Unless they are more just up towards Somerset/Gloucestershire way.
 
#15 ·
Interesting topic. I commend you for trying to bring some theory as to why the cod have diminished along the Essex coast though it will be very difficult to determine exactly which factors have influenced the most. I agree with Malks that the localised stock will be smaller when compared to other stocks elsewhere in the North Sea and thus it's recovery after pressure will be harder to reestablish. Not to mention that once something has vacated the ecosystem in presence it gets replaced by something else to fill the void. My guess would be that whiting have filled this void where cod were once present and that's why they will be the dominant species along that stretch of coast.

What caused the decline in the cod in the first place? I suspect that there were a number of factors that contributed to their decline but most notably over fishing would have been at the top of the list, further exacerbated by climate change which will undoubtedly be impacting the potential for cod numbers to recover in the southern North Sea population.

This is just speculation and unless there were studies conducted to find the root cause, then I guess we will never know. Hopefully the increased protection of the Dogger Bank will have a positive impact on the entire North Sea cod stocks so there is still a little faith that their numbers will increase in the future. Either way, it is nice to read some theory and discussion on fishing.
Cheers
 
#19 ·
Theres a few things or more?
Bottom trawlers have smashed the sea bed to bits rips up all the kelp dislodges all the bits that made character which are holding features for not only fry/small fish but also food for them as all washed away in the tide so areas are scoured by tides as all the things that held the seabed together are gone often washed up on the beaches!.
So less spawning holding areas and any that are are predated by the substantial increase of Whiting.Dogs and conger

The earth has moved off it's axis so many things have/are changing(Who remembers when they was young it was still light to way past 10pm in June as now 9.30 it's almost dark and some others have noticed but felt was there memory)So will have an effect on tides and weather/temps in the sea.

Another is food.There not only raping the sea of fish to eat but also for animal feed(Pigs don't eat fish so an unnatural food for them and why Bacon tastes crap)pot baits and Fertiliser yes loads of fish is turned into fertiliser! and if they didn't coat the country in round-up they wouldn't need so much fertiliser (it kills the soil)which then wouldn't run off the land into waterways causing fish issues and weed/algal blooms!
Which the gets rivers in East Anglia/East coast for one Rated RED for toxins! Now that does cause issues as glyphosates cause cell divisions and they showed what it did to a sea anemone!.
 
#20 ·
Theres a few things or more?
Bottom trawlers have smashed the sea bed to bits rips up all the kelp dislodges all the bits that made character which are holding features for not only fry/small fish but also food for them as all washed away in the tide so areas are scoured by tides as all the things that held the seabed together are gone often washed up on the beaches!.
So less spawning holding areas and any that are are predated by the substantial increase of Whiting.Dogs and conger

The earth has moved off it's axis so many things have/are changing(Who remembers when they was young it was still light to way past 10pm in June as now 9.30 it's almost dark and some others have noticed but felt was there memory)So will have an effect on tides and weather/temps in the sea.

Another is food.There not only raping the sea of fish to eat but also for animal feed(Pigs don't eat fish so an unnatural food for them and why Bacon tastes crap)pot baits and Fertiliser yes loads of fish is turned into fertiliser! and if they didn't coat the country in round-up they wouldn't need so much fertiliser (it kills the soil)which then wouldn't run off the land into waterways causing fish issues and weed/algal blooms!
Which the gets rivers in East Anglia/East coast for one Rated RED for toxins! Now that does cause issues as glyphosates cause cell divisions and they showed what it did to a sea anemone!.
The good news is.......allegedly they are bringing in a permanent ban on any commercial sand eel fishing in our part of the north sea, neither UK nor EU boats will legally be able to fish for them there......I know you still get poachers who break the rules.....but most boats will thankfully follow guidance......plus they wont be as susceptible to bycatch being smaller fish, so that is seriously good news. Its a shame we have to take such extreme measures as in an ideal world it would be better to be able to have a commercial sand eel industry in the north sea, but excessive levels of consumption by the UK, EU and everyone, has now called for bans being a realistic resort......I welcome it with open arms. Who knows, maybe the stocks will be sustainable enough to one day have a controlled sand eel north sea fishing industry.........but until then......we need to leave such a pivotal keystone species that so many other north sea marine life rely on, well alone.

The UK are apparently also further restricting bottom trawling by banning it in certain marine protected areas (including on the Dogger Bank) faster than originally agreed in their Brexit deal (much to a number of understandably disgruntled Danes........but apparently we had a clause that stated that if fish stock data suggested intervention....we had the right to push the ban to come in effect sooner than 2026 that was originally agreed.....which I think is fair enough).......they are also banning it in protected areas off the south coast of the Isle of Wight, west of Land’s End and east of Lowestoft all brilliant news (y)(y) it sounds like we are finally making some real physical progress with it all, after all these years. The Dogger Bank sea bed protection will no doubt give our Essex Cod a well needed boost! (and boost north sea cod numbers for all countries full stop), the Dogger Bank used to also be a haven for Common Skate and Sharks.

Ban on sandeel fishing announced - Oceanographic - Oceanographic (oceanographicmagazine.com)
Denmark accuses UK of breaking Brexit fishing deal over trawling ban | Brexit | The Guardian
 
#34 ·
Yeah, I would guess most fish species of any half decent size (including Cod of course!) would feed on pretty much any younger/smaller fish of any species (minus the few exceptions who are more specialised feeders......and no doubt certain fish wouldn't be quite as easily swallowed..........imagine trying to swallow a Sea Scorpion......would "tickle abit" on the way down 😂).
 
#37 ·
More obvious general factors, like over fishing by commercial boats through the second half of the 20th century aside; one of the big puzzles to me had always been, why the drop in Cod seemed to hit my area of Essex more than a lot of other UK marks? :unsure: (spoiler alert........be prepared for a longgggg droning thread here 😄)

Not to say our beaches are devoid of them, people to this day do still land Codling from the beaches and piers around our coast (with some 'bumper years' for them even being reported); but talking to past generations of fisherman and looking at modern catch reports, its pretty clear that compared to the catches of yesteryear, Essex is by no means a realistic venue to choose to fish for them if you want to have a probable chance of landing one.

Here on the Thames for instance, the more decent sized Winter Cod used to be caught as far up as Thurrock (probably even further), in reasonable numbers, with Codling being a solid possibility all year round. In recent decades you'd of been lucky to hear of people landing a single small Codling (the new super-port and tunnel being a factor in even more recent times) but the Winter and Spring Run catches were dwindling well before then.

The more northern parts of Essex seemed to fair up slightly better (though places like Holderness, The Bristol Channel and the western half of the English Channel......and maybe Suffolk would be much much better by miles).


So whats the big deal with Essex? Particularly the South? Well you could say its down to North Sea stocks that have plummeted....clearly a factor.....but looking at the catches they get up north around Yorkshire and in places like Norway, it can't just be down to stocks alone.....you actually still get Cod in some decent number and size in these places (especially Norway)....many of those Cod in theory, should be migrating further South in better number, but they aren't. Maybe the reduced stocks only need to cover so much ground now to 'get their fill' before breeding? (unlike us humans, they might actually know when to stop 😦)

Other factors no doubt include......
  • rising sea temperatures meaning they don't have to travel as far south during winter to find warmer water to feed in before breeding BUT you still get them further south than Essex down at places like Chesil in good number and size in the Winter?
  • climate change also effecting the tidal currents that they rely on (seems plausible, but I haven't found any info on this for Essex or the southern North Sea specifically yet......maybe someone else would have some info on this?)
But I think the biggest overlooked factor is that of acidification. Its a word that's becoming more well known amongst the eco/climate debate and the state of our waters and fish stocks.
When you look at the terrain we have here, Essex (and all of East Anglia) has always been known as one huge low lying area of marshland (we probably have the lowest elevation of most other places in the UK), marshland in itself is naturally acidic......its one huge anaerobic slab of rotting compost. Paired with the fact we have one of the biggest drainage points in the UK being the River Thames and we also have much wetter winters now (caused by the warmer temps), we must get a lot of extra acidity leech out into the estuary and off our marshy coastline in Winter when the Cod would otherwise be around more 🐟🐟.

I know that there many species that are very intolerant of these conditions.....Plaice for one seem to much favour beaches along chalky or rockier coasts that are more alkaline......and though you get fish like Bass, Flounder, Mullet and Eel that seem to tolerate it more, I remember reading that Cod do not like too much acidity (another reason why Norway must be such a Cod mecca, what with all that pristine PH neutral glacial water flowing out to sea). Essex also has some weird current here too, that could potentially 'concentrate the acidity in one place' as well as erode our marshy acid coast into the water......taking a look at the charts you can see what looks like a great tidal swirl off the south east coast.
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One thing that hits home when you look into these things and try to fathom them out.........is that of the knock on effect of how we live............just imagine if each person halved their yearly Cod consumption from the local chippy (and not just the people here but in Europe and all over the world) as an added bonus I bet the prices would go down! 😅. And just imagine if every person halved all the products they bought on average each year in this 'throw away' society of ours.......it would virtually half our greenhouse gas output and half the climate change problem that causes all these issues.

Though its allowed some interesting warmer species to move further north, you have to ask yourself, how long will it be until there's no room left for the cold water species like our Cod? as the warm water creeps further north. I for one would love to see decent numbers of decent sized Cod return to the south east again. We live in hope 👍👍

Links:
Analysis: How UK winters are getting warmer and wetter - Carbon Brief
What Is Ocean Acidification?
Cod | British Sea Fishing
Atlantic cod - Wikipedia
Cod Migration: The Changing Tides of UK Fisheries (ecoweeb.org)
Most people live in dream land when it comes to cod
It's over fishing nothing else
Will they come back a massive no
If fished for cod in the 70s and 80s
It was supreme
Not being a big head my biggest was from the cowpatch 18.2 and many doubles
But as soon as comms started to target the spring runs that was the death nell
My last cod trip I did over a 100 hours for one 4lber
Then I notice cod catches on the wrecks in the summer started to drop off
That killed the Codding
on places like dungie and all.along the southeast coast
Comms killed off the hounds in the Blackwater
The bass
And herrings
Then the comes killed off all the flounders in the Thames used in whelk pots
The list goes on
Mcz are a joke eu just fishes straight through them
Then we have nearly a 70 million population wanting protein
And politians
Don't give a fig
So we're all screwed
So it's a fact bazz
 
#38 · (Edited)
Most people live in dream land when it comes to cod
It's over fishing nothing else
Will they come back a massive no
If fished for cod in the 70s and 80s
It was supreme
Not being a big head my biggest was from the cowpatch 18.2 and many doubles
But as soon as comms started to target the spring runs that was the death nell
My last cod trip I did over a 100 hours for one 4lber
Then I notice cod catches on the wrecks in the summer started to drop off
That killed the Codding
on places like dungie and all.along the southeast coast
Comms killed off the hounds in the Blackwater
The bass
And herrings
Then the comes killed off all the flounders in the Thames used in whelk pots
The list goes on
Mcz are a joke eu just fishes straight through them
Then we have nearly a 70 million population wanting protein
And politians
Don't give a fig
So we're all screwed
So it's a fact bazz
Without a shadow of a doubt........commercial fishing is the biggest factor of ALL fish species stocks that have depleted (no one ever denied that)........though if you believe things like pollution and climate change have no effect on our Cod........Im afraid you are deluded.........there is not one single creature on earth that isn't effected by those factors......including human beings.

Up to this point the marine conservation zones have been very poorly policed......as a result the UK are now bringing in new funding, laws and routines to make policing more effective.

As for the "70 million population wanting protein" tripe.......both the greedy companies..........and the people buying their products in an excessive way are equally to blame........because if people weren't buying and consuming at the drop of hat on impulse 24/7.......and actually thought about how often they eat certain types of food............there would be no where near the level of demand to fuel the ravenous supply incentive of the greedy supertrawlers etc.

There are margins of society (people on jobseekers...........homeless............single mums......people in minimum wage jobs who are in debt living alone etc) who would absolutely genuinely struggle to meet their nutritional requirements in some way, granted, clearly a huge issue.........but the vast majority of people living in this country wouldn't know this so called "cost of living crisis" if it crawled up and bit them on the backside......as they have more money and luxury than they would ever know......and all the nutrition available they would ever need and more.............the majority of people in our country would feel hard done by not having the option of shovelling 2 or 3 takeaways down their gullet a week.......or going a week without ordering some random thing off the internet thats been flown all the way from Hong Kong.....just to throw it away a week later, to buy some other item of junk to get their retail fix.......most are either completely oblivious to the fact.........or simply emotionally incapable of dealing with the fact when its brought to the table (y) ;)

Whats more, its not just our country doing it either, its happening all over the world........and the worlds population is only growing by the year..........if we wanna sustain it........its a no brainer we need to be more sustainable.
 
#40 ·
As far as the fishing along the Essex coast right into the river goes, two things to bare in mind, Tilbury powerstation and the one over the river have now both closed and gone. They must have had some huge eco systems around the hot water outlets from those and the 2 refineries both BP and Shell at Stanford le Hope. Secondly, the Bovril Barges no longer come out of Beckton waterworks to dump their loads in the outer part of the estuary, which probably lowering numbers of crabs, worm beds and general shellfish? That all stopped around 2000.
Yes comercial fishing plays a part especially cockle dredgers and othwr shellfish dredgers as they destroy the sea bed no different from beam trawling for skate.but like i said, there are more factors than just commercial fishing
 
#41 ·
You need to look at other species - what's happened to the things that aren't commercially fished for/caught? If their numbers are still up then it's going to be overfishing. If their numbers are down too then it's going to be climate change or something else due to man.
 
#43 ·
(Shore fishing)
Catches of Roker? Seem to have dropped a fair bit hear on the north side of the Thames. As does Bass, which are still here, just not seeming any numbers of fish much over 2lb. Cod have earned the name of Unicorns.
Also like everywhere else, eels a huge rarity unlike when I was at school 30yrs ago.

During late spring and summer, smoothhound are around in abundance, as are whiting (some a decent size actually) and dogfish during the winter. Along with flounder and pouting at points in the year.
So it isnt numbers of fish overall. It seems it's just certain species
 
#44 ·
Hi been looking online about cod fishing and came across this thread,it’s the same down here in wales hardly any or no cod at all. From Cardiff foreshore which use to be known as a good cod mark right down to Swansea hardly any cod. There was a comp recently in penarth 129 anglers went and not a single cod caught. another very popular mark is orgmore deeps and nothing there either. I’ve been trying for 20 years to try and catch my very first cod and still haven’t caught one not even a small one so way cod fishing is down my way ive given up and just fishing for what is there.
 
#45 ·
More info - About a month or two ago I read that the spawning grounds for the celtic sea cod stocks (Ireland, Irish sea, English channel) are now not cold enough for the eggs to survive, thus those stocks are no beyond the point of no return. Essex is at the end of the line for that stock, and also the end of the line for the North sea stock. As the North sea stock retreats northwards and the English channel stock fails to get as far east, Essex and Kent are the first places to suffer.
 
#46 ·
We don't know what the effects of climate change are on Cod in the Southern North Sea.

However, we do know Cod in the Southern North Sea has been heavily overfished for at least the last 40 years years, with predictable results. Here is the chart for fishing pressure on the Southern North Sea substock:

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As you can see, since at least 1983 fishing pressure has ranged from extremely high to the current position where fishing pressure is still much higher than even the level need to deliver Maximum Sustainable Yield (the solid blue line) (i.e. Maximum Tonnage Killed in the long term).

And calling MSY (the solid blue line) "sustainable" is highly misleading - it is a very low stock level compared with the unfished biomass level.

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